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Postby Selena Aninikkou » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:53 am

What sickens me most about this whole situation is the comments at the article from people saying they should just "stop whining and get over it". Do these idiots fail to understand that the Europeans stole the land from the Native Americans, and they have every right to complain about it? They were RIPPED OFF, taken advantage of by people who at that time, were only interested in how to become rich in the "civilized" world. It's the same with the people who whine about Native Americans getting tax breaks. Um, considering the rather sizable debt the Europeans owe the Native Americans, tax breaks should be the LEAST of what they should be getting...

The fact is, it may never be possible for those of us who are of European decent to ever pay back what we owe the Native Americans for the actions of idiots in the past...
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Re: Now THIS is interesting news

Postby Christina Anikari » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:37 pm

While i see your point, Selly it is a dangerous way of arguing. First and foremost it raises the question who else should be repaid for actions of the past. Should Germany pay Denmark for taking Schleswig in 1864? Should Russia, Germany and Austria do something to repay Poland for dividing the country in the 18th century? Both of these seem ludicrous to me, but they are no different in principle. The second great question it raises to me is which native Americans who should have what territory and be repaid how much? I have a hard time seeing this end without huge political squabbles between various Native American people should we try to repay them, quite a few of them had taken said territory from other groups. The war between the Iroquis and the Hurons could be an example of this. Instead i strongly believe that we should look to the present and to recent crimes where the victims or people who personally knew the victims are still alive. And even with a focus like that all American countries has much to do for Native Americans to improve conditions and to pay back for all the attempts to fully assimilate them and eradicate their language, culture and religion completely, though the former seems more important to me than the latter.
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Re: Now THIS is interesting news

Postby Gee-chan » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:03 pm

As long as it works (which unfortunatly it probably won't....), Go them!

I don't get these shadowrun references but whatever happens Yorkshire will be spared!! (no-one cares about a land of failing farms, small villages and barely drained swamps that are prone to flooding....like the shire but with less hills, holes and hobbits)
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Re: Now THIS is interesting news

Postby Mitera Nikkou » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:18 pm

Actually, I was wondering if it'd work out if they wanted to make their territory a new state. As Christina said (I think) it probably wouldn't work to establish a sovereign nation. But becoming a state should take care of many of the difficulties that would have been met with that, and they would still have some independence as a state.
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Re: Now THIS is interesting news

Postby Gee-chan » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:24 pm

I would agree but I don;t know how the state system works.....enlighten me please?
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