Self-Creationism

[Nylena]

Self-Creationism, the belief that we are responsible for the forms we take in life. Yes, we've seen if before in "Thou art God" -Robert Heinlein, Stranger in A Strange Land but does anyone really give it any thought. Well I do. Remember, this is purely a spiritual position and has nothing to do with denouncing evolution or any other natural creation. It's about the belief of making the decision for ourselves to choose which product of evolution we wish for our corporeal forms to take. It follows the beliefs that there is no higher power in our personal lives than us.

I'm not denouncing the Christian God or any other because it's not about replacing any of those things. It's about co-existence. In religious terms It's belief but not worship and/or pantheism. Believe me, though, it's quite hard to hold onto beliefs like these since, let's face it, the whole single creator view has been pretty thoroughly ingrained in ourselves and the majority of humanity for a long time. This is just my personal opinion so don't take it too personally if you believe otherwise but there is no real freedom and death is no release when you hold the belief of a single divine creator.

And if you're wondering what this has to do with MSF...reincarnation IS transformation. Whether or not there's magic in the world to make it happen while you are the person you are now doesn't really matter. Just have patience because there's always that to look forward to.

I'm Nylena(occasionally) and I'm a believer in the highest power in the universe, is ourselves.

Here's a little song I once heard from a randy blue dragon:

"The lovely lady sang so sweet,
Upon her harp she plucked.
The dragon's lust grew great and strong.
His heart thundered and bucked.
When she was through, he took her home,
And all night long

they were----
Anatomically incompatible,
His was flyable, her just sat-able.
True love died 'cause nothing fit!
That's the long and the short of it!

They tried their best to make it work,
With effort pure and true!
They used appliances and gels
and lathered up with goo!
'Twas all for naught, though, sad to tell.
They simply couldn't,

they were---
Anatomically incompatible,
His was flyable, her just sat-able.
True love died 'cause nothing fit!
That's the long and the short of it!

The dragon ceased his striving
but alas it was too late!
They buried her while he bemoaned
The fickleness of fate!

Dead not for love but just because
they could not for
they were----
Anatomically incompatible,
His was flyable, her just sat-able.
True love died 'cause nothing fit!
That's the long and the short of it!

The moral of this sad lament
Avoid the clench of fate.
make sure the plumbing measures up
before you copulate!

they were----
Anatomically incompatible,
His was flyable, her just sat-able.
True love died 'cause nothing fit!
That's the long and the short of it!
--Holly Lisle; Minerva Wakes (Baen 1994)

[Mitera Nikkou]

I like to maintain the thought that anything is possible. In the case of there being reincarnation, I hope I know no more when this life ends. Assuming that this spiritual self of mine gets to choose which form to reincarnate in, for whatever reason, that just means that I, in this state, am just a means to an end. I'm just a meal ticket. When I die my so-called self takes me in and I lose my identity to a combination of other numerous memories and experiences. I won't be "me" anymore. So, either I manage to strike it out on my own, or I hope for oblivion, in the case of reincarnation. Because I can't accept that the thing that chose this life for me is actually me, or I'd know what it knows then and now. It is in that way that I also consider it more transitional than a transformation, since whoever/whatever it is experiences what it does via proxy, and does it normally for development. It's essentially no different than keeping fed and growing up.

I have a lot of issues in the realm of spirituality. With the exception of a few desirable possibilities, I'd otherwise want to be destructive or self-destructive. I have a very strong sense of self and freedom, and I won't accept anything that's short of appeasing those two desires after my life here is over.

[Nylena]

That's why, in my belief, it's not like that. The person that i am now will not be lost, rather my experiences will just be absorbed. It's no different than the me i am now going off to school to, let's say study martial arts. I will just absorb the new knowledge into myself for later use. It's exactly the same for my higher self. All these lives are absorbed, and learned from. No loss, just gain.

[Mitera Nikkou]

I simply can't see it that way. It just doesn't make sense to me. I know I'm me, and It is, well, It. Two different personalities. The difference is that, instead of being a division of an existing part of It, I develop from scratch in an unused and disconnected part of It's brain. And when the time comes, It's cured of me, and It benefits with all that I was under It's reins.

I like the other kind of reincarnation only slightly better, but not by much. It's the kind where the end of our lives means the end of ourselves and the energy that we had consisted of gets recycled, thus the blank slates at the start of each life.

I mean, it's nice that you can find a positive spin on it, and I'm not faulting you for that. I just don't understand the logic behind it. Unless there isn't any logic...

[Nylena]

Logic in religion and existence after death? Nope, never really has been. Now I'll clarify something though it'll probably still end up being confusing. Each life does start out as a blank slate in my view as well because the only way to gain anything is to experience it anew each time. In any case, I'm not attempting to sway anyone over to my viewpoint because that's what my viewpoint is all about, freedom. It's mine alone and I have no right to preach it to others nor would I try. Sure would be a better world if Christians and others would learn to do the same. Well nothing to be done about that without coming off as an even bigger jerk.

Anyway, don't you pay attention to what anyone else says. Find your own philosophy, go your own way.

[Mitera Nikkou]

Oh, I already have. It's completely negative, but I suppose that's my fate. I've accepted a lot of bad things, so it's no biggie to accept another.

What I'd rather like to happen is having this life as a first life and starting the course on a non-amnesiac adventure through many more. I don't think the amnesia makes any sense, either. When you keep starting from scratch you're going to end up having the same experiences and reactions because you're learning again. There's this whole other spectrum that is going unexplored when experiences are compiled from life to life.

Yeah, I have this habit of making sense of things. I blame the life that is so onerous. ;p

[Nylena]

Well, you'll just have to wait until you pass on. Back to my view, It's not necessarily true that you have the same reactions. It's still about Nature vs Nurture and you can never tell which will be dominant in each life or what variance it will take. Because unlike the people who say it's one or the other, it's really both, just to varying degrees.

[Sophia Anieri]

If it were in fact true that the universe is self-created, wouldn't what happens after you pass on be just that -- whatever you yourself put there?

That said, even if that idea is true there are probably hurdles to deal with. After all, if it's true, this world is just as self-created.

I have an interesting reading list on the subject, which I don't feel like posting here for some reason. On the off chance someone is actually interested, PM me.

[Nylena]

There's two ways to go on the subject(based on my views of a godless existence). Either this world is self-created or it's a creation of the central hub of the multiverse from which all worlds spring.

Side-note: I do not deny existences of Gods; but I deny that they are creators of Nature. They are created under Nature the same as everything else. We are not so evolved that we can fully contemplate the world in which we exist. We can, however, make boundaries in which it can work and for the limited time in which we are sentient, living, breathing creatures, it's enough.