I felt that I should say this

[Mitera Nikkou]

For all those who doubted my observations in the past (along with another person who is no longer around), and thought the economy was fine...

HA!

HA, HA, HA!

IN YOUR FACE!

Ah, that feels good. And this is just the beginning, merely the start of what's to come. But I think it's poignant enough at this point for an "I told you so."

Now to sit back and enjoy the show, I guess. ;/

[Helel]

It'll be hard to enjoy since we're the ones that'll have to deal with it. :/

[Mitera Nikkou]

For you and many others, maybe. But I'm plagued by things far worse than this, so I'm desensitized and all that. Perhaps people will become wiser concerning whom they place their trust in for these matters, but I highly doubt it.

But you might as well enjoy it because we're bound to be affected by the ramifications for a long time. Make lemonade out of your lemons and whatnot.

[Helel]

For you and many others, maybe. But I'm plagued by things far worse than this, so I'm desensitized and all that. Perhaps people will become wiser concerning whom they place their trust in for these matters, but I highly doubt it.

But you might as well enjoy it because we're bound to be affected by the ramifications for a long time. Make lemonade out of your lemons and whatnot.

I prefer the principle of making lemonade out of lemons and then throw it in the face of the jerk you told to get you oranges.

That is the say that while aspects of the economy suck and will hurt for some time, I'll just have to make due with what's been offered to me and then use that to work towards what I really want in life. I'm willing to work hard if it's needed. *shrugs*

Or move to a different planet. And with Xia around, that's looking like a better option.

[Mitera Nikkou]

What you fail to see is that the problem you now know about is only known because it can no longer be hidden at its current stage. In time other things will seemingly come out of the blue, at stages that should (and could) have been prevented. What is now is not how it is; it's worse.

So, like I said... Watch the curtain rise and enjoy the show.

[Helel]

What you fail to see is that the problem you now know about is only known because it can no longer be hidden at its current stage. In time other things will seemingly come out of the blue, at stages that should (and could) have been prevented. What is now is not how it is; it's worse.

So, like I said... Watch the curtain rise and enjoy the show.

Fortunately I'm going into a field, that unlike other fields, has been lacking in this country since the 70s and 80s. That and Biomedical stuff is only growing here and everywhere. I mean, look at all those old people. To many they're a liability. To me and others, they're possibilities. And to the rest? They can be helped to live longer, be more productive, which in an ideal world would improve everything.

Buuut we don't live in an ideal world, do we? I have mucho loans that I'll be looking at for years to come, but I ought to be in a much more stable position than most people. I think.

I hope. You'd probably say otherwise, but I am expecting such. :O

[Mitera Nikkou]

You're doomed!

Well, maybe.

At least I would expect areas of research to be hit by a lack of grants and funding in general, from the government or otherwise. Is that your sort of field? But if you said it was lacking then, it's probably going to be lacking as the economy gets worse. Usually when things get bad enough most of what makes it toward the other end of it are reliable, strong things that people have fallen back on in the past. For instance, whoever bought a load of stock in gold ten years ago, and is still holding onto it now, can't be considered lucky. True, the price is higher than usual these days, but gold is among the most reliable things to invest in.

My sister is probably going to have problems becoming a forensic scientist because, as I understand it, their salary is ultimately tax allocation from the state. And in times like these I'd expect a lack of growth (no new salaries) or cutbacks in the field she plans to work in, four or five years from now.

[Helel]

You're doomed!

Well, maybe.

At least I would expect areas of research to be hit by a lack of grants and funding in general, from the government or otherwise. Is that your sort of field? But if you said it was lacking then, it's probably going to be lacking as the economy gets worse. Usually when things get bad enough most of what makes it toward the other end of it are reliable, strong things that people have fallen back on in the past. For instance, whoever bought a load of stock in gold ten years ago, and is still holding onto it now, can't be considered lucky. True, the price is higher than usual these days, but gold is among the most reliable things to invest in.

My sister is probably going to have problems becoming a forensic scientist because, as I understand it, their salary is ultimately tax allocation from the state. And in times like these I'd expect a lack of growth (no new salaries) or cutbacks in the field she plans to work in, four or five years from now.

Research, industry, whatever. I'm going to be an Engineer.

Regardless, the gist of it is that there are NOT enough Engineers being produced in this country, by far. Why? because math and science sucks.

Seriously though, while we have more than enough new doctors and lawyers (hence the reason why the number of grads for both are limited), the US particularly has had a shortage of new Engineers, for about twenty years. And if nothing else, more engineers will just stimulate the economy, because basically, they solve problems. Not questions like what is beauty, because that would fall under the conundrums of philosophy. Rather, they solve practical problems.

I could continue on with that line from 'the Engineer', but I think you get the picture. There aren't enough engineers, there's more than enough problems, and even if there's a TOTAL economic implosion (like, depression ish), there will still be problems to be solved. Or else what, you ask? People die. Seriously.

[Mitera Nikkou]

Several years ago I heard that it wasn't so much that we didn't have enough engineers, but rather because there wasn't anyone hiring them for one reason or another. Like, um... Either there wasn't a demand, because of a shrinking/small "market" for them, or there were simply a lot of new engineers finding employment hard because most of their employment opportunities were taken by the engineers before them.

I can't really remember it that clearly. I just remember my father (who's a machinist) considering other fields of employment several years back, since his company was making cutbacks here and there at the time. Although, now that the price of copper and other metals for wire-making are up, business seems to be good. But he's taking computer science, just in case.

[Helel]

Several years ago I heard that it wasn't so much that we didn't have enough engineers, but rather because there wasn't anyone hiring them for one reason or another. Like, um... Either there wasn't a demand, because of a shrinking/small "market" for them, or there were simply a lot of new engineers finding employment hard because most of their employment opportunities were taken by the engineers before them.

I can't really remember it that clearly. I just remember my father (who's a machinist) considering other fields of employment several years back, since his company was making cutbacks here and there at the time. Although, now that the price of copper and other metals for wire-making are up, business seems to be good. But he's taking computer science, just in case.

I'm not positive, but I think you're talking more about the workers that... build the stuff. Not the engineers who analyze, design, test, and then implement new things, to solve problems, etc. If you look at countries like India and China, they have been working on initiatives to train TONS of engineers, every year, to help push forth their growth.

But for the U.S., while we haven't been growing much... it's also because we lack a large number of new engineers being trained that we haven't been growing and advancing as much. I mean, compared to the sixties, there's just a total lack of urgency to develop the sciences that we used to... and as a result, the urgency to train new engineers has also waned.

But yeah, I think the real distinction to be made is that engineers aren't the workers. They're the problem solvers.

DOUBLECHECKED: And I just double checked some articles just to make sure I was right about the engineers' crisis thing... and yeah, the U.S. has been under the amount of 'ideal' ratio of engineers being trained to the population of the US of the whole by about 20% or so, with the possibility of even greater numbers. (That ratio is apparently based off of the number of open job possibilities to the number of engineers trained.) And this is something that's been up and coming since the nineties or eighties, at least. So, 15 to 25 years of a crisis in the making. Awesome.

[Mitera Nikkou]

Better be ready for it, then. Especially when I emerge as the premier philosophical engineer, just to spite the world.

[Helel]

Just something I found that might kinda help fill in what jobs are doing well and should continue to do well as well, despite the economy: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/busine ... t.jobs.cnn The number one white collar job might surprise you, though it should be noted that clip is rather simplistic, but yeah. :O


(Hopefully that link works <_<)

[Mitera Nikkou]

Well, if any of that is true, then my father, who is (at least) a machinist, has it made. But I imagine he could pull off other things from that list, and potentially from the white collar list as well. Too bad for my sister, though... She's aiming for a state-funded job that requires a good amount of expenses for equipment and supplies. Perhaps things won't look so bad in four years, but... Eh. I don't think the odds are in her favor.