The Haven...It lives...it lives!

[Millinescence]

Long ago, Erien had founded the great forum known as Magical Sailor Fuku. In circa 2004, Eirien had launched this site's little sister into existence, The Haven of Aeternalae. Unfortunately, in 2006-7, spambots had caused it's early demise...

And now, in the year 2010, with the joint effort of Zilla myself, and several others, those spambots are virtually gone and the Haven of Aeternalae is now alive and kicking once more!
http://www.aeternalae.com/forums/index.php

Since I've read that the founder of MSF had announced the opening of HoA originally, I thought it would be okay to announce it's reawakening. So Mods, if I'm wrong to do this, please let me know. *...gulp, nervously hopes I don't get shot for this*

[Queen Octavia]

It's... pink? I'm confused ><

*Burrows*

[Millinescence]

Yes it's pink! Zilla/Katie Anikerina made it so ^^
She's currently working on a way to where you can switch between pink and blue. Right now it's just pink, pink, and the old-school looking subsilver2

[Mitera Nikkou]

Thank god for subsilver. I wouldn't use prosilver no matter what color was available for it. Though, for those that do, you definitely need blue. It only makes sense.

Also, considering how many members there are, I'm assuming that there are a bunch of spam accounts that need to be deleted?

I might get back around there, but... *Shrugs* There's no telling with the amount of baggage I have.

[Roggamer22]

I have no idea what that site is (lol did not know about this site in 2006-7 orz) but it's very pink isn't it?

[Millinescence]

Thank god for subsilver. I wouldn't use prosilver no matter what color was available for it. Though, for those that do, you definitely need blue. It only makes sense.

Also, considering how many members there are, I'm assuming that there are a bunch of spam accounts that need to be deleted?

Prosilver was foreign to me at first, but I've kind of grown on it myself. I actually like the pink prosilver, but an option to turn it blue would be nice too. The reason why we turned it pink was to give HoA a unique look.

Yeah...there are spam accounts on there still, but we've made it so they can't do anything. Plus with the captias and stuff, future spambots can't register. Now that leaves HoA's admins with the tedious task of deleting all those remaining spam accounts.

[Gee-chan]

Long ago, Erien had founded the great forum known as Magical Sailor Fuku. In circa 2004, Eirien had launched this site's little sister into existence, The Haven of Aeternalae. Unfortunately, in 2006-7, spambots had caused it's early demise...

And now, in the year 2010, with the joint effort of Zilla myself, and several others, those spambots are virtually gone and the Haven of Aeternalae is now alive and kicking once more!
http://www.aeternalae.com/forums/index.php

Since I've read that the founder of MSF had announced the opening of HoA originally, I thought it would be okay to announce it's reawakening. So Mods, if I'm wrong to do this, please let me know. *...gulp, nervously hopes I don't get shot for this*

Oh don't worry, you wont be shot for this. Being shot for no good reason with a splurge gun is another matter though.

*shoots you with a splurge gun ten seconds later*

Told you so

[Millinescence]

I might get back around there, but... *Shrugs* There's no telling with the amount of baggage I have.

I did some thinking on this, and it seems as if barely any of the oldbies there post anymore (although Katie and I hope they do soon enough). I don't know what reason you had for abandoning the Aeternalae and your Aninas, but I'm going to talk to the Sisters and see if we can work something out (I think they can forgive you :3). I'm sure the newest generation of Sisters and returning ningen would more than welcome your presence there ^_^ *hugs tight*

Oh don't worry, you wont be shot for this. Being shot for no good reason with a splurge gun is another matter though.

*shoots you with a splurge gun ten seconds later*

Told you so

Huh? What's a splurge gun? What's it supposed to do?
*Is shot with a splurge gun! Fires back with my Zappy-blaster!* ( )

[Mitera Nikkou]

Work something out? *Blink-blinks* Well, I'm not looking to be forgiven, anyway. Besides, I'd feel bad/guilty about it all regardless of what happens. Beyond that, some of the baggage is simply some of the experiences that I've had, when I was "young" and naive. A lot of social things were still relatively new to me, at the time, so I was hit pretty hard by a lot of the things that happened.

In the end, I don't see what I'd have to contribute. I wasn't able to do much back in the day, either. ;/

[Roggamer22]

And can someone explain to me exactly what this Haven is all about? I don't really like registering in random forums without at least some clue as to what it's about. 8P
I was shy when I registered here to begin with, I don't want to go registering to everything that just happens to appear on this site too.
Especially when it's such a... gummy shade of pink.
Also it looks pretty much deserted from what I see...

[Xia]

its a forum dedicated to a...subculture, if you will, that was created here at MSF, the Aeternalae, or the Eternals

[Millinescence]

A sub-culture I'm proud to be a part of I might add ^^b
And yes, it's still in the re-awakening stages and was recently upgraded. It's not deserted I can tell you that much, it's just slow-paced right now. We're still trying to work on the color-schemes to where you can choose between pink and blue, as well as several other stuff to improve the forums (new post-count ranks, rank images, deleting the excess 0-post accounts, etc.). We could really use Pip/Erien's help to bring the Haven back up to speed. So if you're reading this, please contact either me, Zilla, or Kerina.

Oh, and the Codex Aeterna Redux will tell you all you need to know about the Aeternalae.

[Ninian]

Can I hijack this thread to talk a bit about why I wrote the Aeternalae, and where I feel it succeeded and where it fails horribly?


First of all, a major goal I had with the Aeternalae was actually to remove some of the pointless mystique regarding women. If you never heard that stated before, just trust me, it was somewhere on my mind. I actually hoped by glorifying posthuman women, I could help male MSFers see normal women more... well... normally. To basically lampshade the fact that most TG victims essentially do become superhuman girls (I can count every story where an ugly guy becomes an ugly girl on the hand of a bad woodshop teacher). The two choices to get them to start seeing women better was to either be a buzzkill and remind them that girls in real life as just as disgusting and meat-based as men, or to take the delusion of girls as perfect and put it towards spiritual girls who are in fact physically perfect.
Unfortunately, that got kinda tangled up with my spiritual outlooks, which I often would talk about in the same breath. I also made the mistake of writing Aeternalae information in a way that sounded like it could be interpreted as real or prophecy. Though it's worth mentioning part of the "prophecy", a Sign of the Cutepocalypse if you will, was about an all girl world becoming an overwhelming and powerful meme on the internet. That totally came true, and gave me pause on what to write next if I may be deliciously cryptic.

Originally, I actually intended the Aeternalae to be a bit of a horror story. I still really like that angle, too -- the fans of the setting really clamoring for them becoming a bit of a Misaimed Fandom. It didn't help that basically whenever I wanted to share my ideas, there was definitely a backlash from certain hypersensitive people. The MSF from then was not as openminded as the MSF of today. The catalyst was that everyone involved was pretty damn immature to boot. The result? Wank from both sides, and I began finding myself irrationally identifying with my own creation, and generally becoming increasingly unhinged as I struggled to defend them. Eventually this resulted in me needing to "export" the horror aspect into a more properly swarming form of transforming super girl. Which, in the heat of zeal, I basically gave a Zerg-ripoff name. "Ovalisk". Good god, the originality there is frightening. And guess what? Round two, people identified with ovalisks.
I probably didn't help matters by eventually presenting the "ovalisk" perspective with the Kate Icing blog. Let me defend that one though -- I'm actually pretty pleased with how I wrote Kate Icing's story, even though it was really in dire need of a proper arc and ending. I definitely should write like her again sometime.

Now that the history lesson is over, what exactly is my beef with the Aeternalae? It's bloated as hell and has a lot of half-formed ideas (such as "alphariginae") that are orphaned of any proper story, as well as characters I'd prefer to keep more to myself these days. Leena is a rather personal to me, for instance. The reading list of terms a new reader is saddled with is huge... which is ironic when the concept is not much more complicated than "anime girls methodically transform a world and its people". Know what's another science fiction writer with cheesy stories, a needlessly bloated glossary, and with an amazingly hardcore following? L. Ron Hubbard.


Does this mean I hate the Aeternalae or have an axe to grind? Not at all, if you'll believe it. My e-mail address is still aeternalae@gmail.com because I'm actually rather proud of the fact I created something people love. And let me go on record as saying I still really like the idea -- cute girl borg invasion, and I actually like a lot of the technical aspects like how Influence works and so on. It's fun to write, and fun to read. Aeternalae lent themselves well to the kind of stories I wanted to write or read, and it got people to write the kind of content I wanted to see at the time. Dance, puppets, dance!

If your ideal self still runs with the Aeternalae as a concept, I'm not out to invalidate you. But please recognize you're spiritually identifying with a writer's rather amateur work, and you basically deserve a lot better. To put your immortal soul into it is like being given a choice of various fine desserts (mmm tiramisu) and choosing to lick an empty sno-ball wrapper instead. I'm not suggesting the setting is ultimately unsalvageable, but that it'd be a lot of work to streamline it and I often got the sense I'm unwelcome to even try. If I am welcome to help make it a lot less of a mess, or more accessible, I'd be glad to. To be honest though, much of my effort right is going towards brainstorming a new setting that has a lot of similar ideas and attempt at appeal, but a lot easier to explain and to roleplay.

[Ninian]

tl;dr -- It's a neat concept that got bloated up because I kept sharing half-written notes, and because I was writing during an emotionally immature time of my life. By all means, enjoy it, but I really wish there were certain things on the wiki (like anything related to Leena or myself) removed, and if I had my way a lot of the unnecessary details would be removed so stories could focus on the right parts. And finally, I think people deserve better, and I'd like to provide if I can.

[Rodney]

Know what's another science fiction writer with cheesy stories, a needlessly bloated glossary, and with an amazingly hardcore following? L. Ron Hubbard.

I haven't laughed as much in the past weeks. Anyway, I don't think you are the first creator whose creation escaped and leads a completely independant life from its creator.

Can I call you Nina Frankenstein ?