A most complex TG related open ended poll/discussion

[May-chan]

I didn't bother with options as this is going to be very multifacetted but is poll like anywho...


inspired by reading Abstract Gender at 1AM last night...

Lets say you have (or perhaps you do have...) GID. And you have two friends who do not. Suddenly though some magical and/or scifi means you all get transformed into the opposite of your genetic sex. You are happy because you are finally yourself utterly in every way... Your friends on the other hand are experimental and exploratory at first but soon decide that they do not wish to live as this and want to return to the way they originally were. It is discovered that they can be changed back but it requires that all three of you do so. So... what do you do?

do you sacrifice the one thing you've wanted most of all for the sake of your friends? Sure, I'm certain a lot of people would want to answer this way because it sounds like the "right" thing to do... but in such a situation... do you honestly think you could make such a sacrifice? Or perhaps it is like in the movies where self-sacrifice will be rewarded... but how can you be sure it will work out that well?

Would you try to convince them to learn to love what they are now, even if it is hypocritical? Or make them transition even though you know it will be a hard path for them and they will never fully be who they once were?
Would you try to convince THEM to be the sacrificial ones... and to let you finally be wholly yourself? What if their sacrifice is then rewarded? or perhaps not rewarded...? What about the guilt from all of these possibilites? could you really make that sacrifice knowing that your one chance to be 100% yourself and capable of reproducing and all of that will never return again?

What if you were in the process of transitioning or had already transitioned before the change, and there is a chance that changing back won't put you back the way you were just prior... but instead the way you were before you even were transitioning? Would you perhaps change back and hope that because you made that ultimate sacrifice, they would support you financially or somehow make it up to you? Would you feel guilty doing that? Or would they be the guilty feeling ones?

Or are they even that great of friends... maybe you've been suffering and finally have happiness, but they were never really close or special or caring towards you... so maybe they should deal with it because you don't care for them /that/ much... but then there is yet again the possiblity of guilt...

Or do you think that they of their own will and experience would gradually become accustomed to their new roles? Or what if they eventually adapt, but their boyfriend/girlfriend/significant other/spouse/family/whatever that they really and truly love, will no longer accept them?

hmmm?

[Mitera Nikkou]

Well, I wouldn't have any friends. If anyone at all were still transformed, they'd probably be nowhere near me, and I wouldn't even know how to contact them even if I were aware of another two existing. Assuming that we all happen to somehow be in the same place after having been kidnapped or something, I'd find out when the opportunity to change back is lost. That's one thing that you left out, May, so I figure that a "discovery" doesn't hinge on an outside source and just requires a cooperative effort. So, assuming that we can change back at any time we try to do so together, I'd suggest staying as girls for a little while. I'm sure you'd think that I'd do it for self-gratification, but that's not really it. For one, I'm curious as to how others would react, if I can prove who I am. Not just people that I know, but confirmed publically. If my fingerprints match, and my DNA is still a familial match to my male body, I'd have no worries about not having an identity. If it all plays out in such a way that we're confirmed as whom we had been, and against our wills, who could abandon us other than the worst kind of people? But, since I don't know the parents and friends of the two other potential transformees, I don't know the odds of how well that work out. But, if it worked out well, we could all have some good-natured fun with the people around us, and the world, even. Being able to gain experience from more than your birth sex isn't normally possible, and there's money to be made there (if they're willing to go that far with me). But, before all of that, I'd guarantee that, should they give it a try and see how interesting it turns out, I'd be more than willing to help them transform back if they were still interested in doing so. And a transformation back might entail more interesting times and opportunities to make money. Well, I wouldn't really be interested in the money... But it's there for the other two if they want some incentive or compensation for prolonging their girlhood.

[May-chan]

keep in mind I didn't specify that they were both male originally...

as a matter of fact... that gives me a good idea to mix it up... okay one male and one female friend...

*gives it a stir*

[P-tan]

You forgot the poll.. I would change back because it's unnatural. I would help other people 2. (not important)

(I would put more but I'm lazy and times are hard for now)
edited for courtesy*

[Mistress Guendolen]

I hope you realize that with that last statement, you have just insulted a good portion of the people who frequent this site. For many of those who come here, this is a very real personal issue, and this is one of the only places where they can explore that side of themselves or be who they feel they ought to be. I do not sit idle and let people be insulted by careless words. You should apologize for your thoughtlessness.

[P-tan]

There all done!
No hard feelings eh? Just didn't know that..sheesh. (my apologies for whatever I did wrong)

Do you wanna hug? (Okay, I will probably never ask for this again..I can't bear the humiliation!)

[Kohaku]

I'd sacrifice it for my friends. Heck, I'd sacrifice it for anyone. I would just be acting in a disgustingly selfish manner otherwise to put it lightly. Sure it'd be nice to experience it for a while, but it's not worth my friend's happiness nor any other person's happiness.

[May-chan]

I'd sacrifice it for my friends. Heck, I'd sacrifice it for anyone. I would just be acting in a disgustingly selfish manner otherwise to put it lightly. Sure it'd be nice to experience it for a while, but it's not worth my friend's happiness nor any other person's happiness.

bah, goodie two-shoes

j/k j/k j/k

[Mistress Guendolen]

What you "did wrong" was to refer to people with trans-gender difficulties as "freaks" when you are on a forum which, if you had read the site mission on the entrance page, is devoted heavily to not just transformations, but trans-gender ones. It was something both thoughtless and tactless. I'm glad that you posted that edit and apologized, but I will definitely pass on that hug.

There all done!
No hard feelings eh? Just didn't know that..sheesh. (my apologies for whatever I did wrong)

Do you wanna hug? (Okay, I will probably never ask for this again..I can't bear the humiliation!)

[ZeroForever]

honestly depends on the circumstances... though in RL i'm more of the self sacrificing types, when it somes to friends and family.... though as you said there are plenty of if's and's... so i would go with maybe... since it's to board of a question.

[Christina Anikari]

I think that the most realistic outcome of this would be that i would readily offer to change back with them, provided all need to change back together of course, but do it in such a way and seem so pitiful as to try and manipulating them into staying anyway. If not i...would most likely do something stupid like kill myself or the like before going back or possibly afterwards. I have a very good idea of just how strong forces we are working with here.

[AnimaVex]

Ah.. this question. I often ask it to myself every other night and especially when I've finished a hard assignment and need to take my mind off other things. It all depends on the friends. In real life, I'm a person that helps others, no matter who they are. A person can call me gay (And they have) for no reason at all and I'll still say "Good luck" whenever they're studying for a test, or "Have a nice day" when I'm leaving. I... just can't bear not helping people like that.

Now... for this particular situation, it does depend on the friends that would be in this situation with me. I really don't have many friends, save for you all and Digi (You've seen her in IRC) and Katya (The other one, AKA Darkei, my other friend. She's the one I get the "Socute." from.), as well as some slight friendships with other classmates. However, my classmates and I really don't have much of a link. The other friends I have would be 10th graders, one grade below mine, and, although I maintain good friendships with these five or so females and two males, I don't think they would be exactly the best people that I woudl rely my happiness on. So... if the change would be with triends, then I would probably find a way to change back, no matter what the cost. I might feel bad after I do it, but it's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all, right?

Meh... I'd still feel bad. But I'd rather not have all the guilt of having changed other people's lives just to change mine. As Timmy Turner said in one of his episodes: "Ah! The power of Guilt!" It's definately very powerful indeed.

</end of rant. Or is it?>

[Stellar]

I only know so many people in the real. Not many of those people know me, and those that do, know that being female is something I've longed for for years.

In the end... I think I wouldn't change back. No one's been here for me just trying to get my own transofrmation started. So I have no reason to be there for anyone else if something like this happened, reguardless of how cold that sounds, I .. I just .. I'd probly end up killing myself if I gave up being female.

I'm very torn over all... But I'm sure that I wouldn't change back.

[May-chan]

For me, I'd say something along the lines of what Terra said, trying to act like it would be so traumatic for me in hopes of convincing the friends to stay, even if it would make me guilty or hypocritical... you know, using things like "you two at least had your own childhood, but I never had that gift..." and so on and so forth... and then if that tactic did not work and I had to collapse and let them go back, I would make it seem so devistating (well it would be...) that I'd hopefully guilt them into pretty much serving me as slaves and supporting me financially for the rest of our lives...

[Beyond]

I wouldn't sacrifice something I want becouse of them, no mather what they would say I will eventually forget the guilt. I see no need for overacting.

And in this case... I would like to live the experience.