vote for the seven new wonders of the world

[May-chan]

forgive me, living amongst the people of rural Indiana has made me rather bitter and snippy... -_- *opens up the newspaper to read the locals complain that there needs to be enforced prayer in school, all immigrants should be taken to concentration camps, illegal immigrants cause childhood obesity, the world should bow to Bush, the anti-Christ is coming, and so on...*

[Kara-chan]

*patpats* I live near DC, it's pretty sweet as the only cons are the lawmakers, their staffs, and the thinktanks. Everyone else is as blue as can be ^_^

And even many said cons are smart ones...you've also got the benefit of possibly running over Rick Santorum...with an office chair. My only regret was that I missed...

[Coruscate]

Yet a wonder also means what it inspires in others. For many millions, my own ancestors included, the Statue of Liberty was a sign of freedom from repression and the start of a new life. It was a symbol, one of rebirth and liberty, and one that has inspired many. Frankly, if voting for it makes you an idiot, then you can put me up as one, if not for the engineering feats (not super impressive but still pretty cool) then for what it's given millions and what it represents.

I'm with Kara, not because I'm American. But because of the dual nation aspect of it (it's French work) and how it came to America, and what it means to the world.

Look at the ancient wonders of theworld, like "Hercules Passage" (not sure if that's what it was called, it was the two giant statues at Gibraltar(????)"

In any case, these wonders are just things that are put up and are meaningful to people. The SOL (sol, hahaha) is an international symbol, I think it deserves a nomination and runner up placement at the very least.

[Coruscate]

forgive me, living amongst the people of rural Indiana has made me rather bitter and snippy... -_- *opens up the newspaper to read the locals complain that there needs to be enforced prayer in school, all immigrants should be taken to concentration camps, illegal immigrants cause childhood obesity, the world should bow to Bush, the anti-Christ is coming, and so on...*

>_< oh that's gotta suck.

Ummm...not to ruin any of your ideas Guen, but how those were made is quite well known. Not every single engineering detail, but the basic methods are known already. Stonehenge was by large rock slabs quarried and then hauled along on logs until they reached the spot where they are now and then using ropes and logs for lifting were pulled erect. The pyramids were made using thousands of conscripted peasants beating the blocks into shape using rounded stones and then hauled up what was already made and so on.

Actually the wooden ramp theory fails due to simple mathematics. It's that easy to disprove. "Fingerprints Of The Gods" by Alexander Graham Hancock has a chapter devoted to that, if you don't want to bother with the book, he's recognized enough in the historical community that we can see him appearing on various history channel segments on the Pyramids as well as others. I think recently I posted an article in Tea or Soap that theorists are finally abandoning the wooden ramp theory, and are going for a "concrete" theoryfor the pyramids, which would more easily explain their shape.

Thing is, that amount of engineering is IMPOSSIBLE using the methods you mentioned. Some engineers tried to reproduce that technique, and had to use modern day tools and STILL couldn't quite pull it off.

[Christina Anikari]

Ummm...Koru. I never mentioned the wooden ramp theory for the pyramids at all. The wooden logs to roll over was for Stonehenge. Stonehenge was in a moor in England the last time i checked while the Pyramids were on the Giza plateau in Egypt.

Also who would be bloody stupid enough to think that desert dwellers who didn't even have wood enough for using it in basic tools would make ramps from that material? If and i repeat if, ramps was how they got the blocks to the top of the pyramids, they would have been made from packed earth or some form of dried mud or the like. All i said about how the pyramids were build was that the stones were shaped using rounded stones and then put in place. As for that then archeaologists completely unskilled at working with stone managed to build a small pyramid in less time for it's volume than building the Great Pyramid of Cheops, by shaping the rocks using rounded stones. I can check the specific process when i get home.

As for the Statue of Liberty being impressive due to it being dual nation i can just say that lots and lots of projects are dual nation. The Panama Canal was made by the French and the Americans, the Suez Canal was made by the French for the British in Egypt. Practically all bridges and tunnels connecting separate countries in Europe were made cooperatively by people from both countries. For that matter the Sydney Opera was made by the Danish as well as the Australians. Really pretty much all major engineering has several nations represented, even more if the manufacturers of the parts and the equipment is added.

Also the Statue of Liberty isn't really the symbol of very much outside the US. The only times i've ever seen it used as a symbol outside the US is to show that the city in question is New York, i've never seen it used as the guiding torch of liberty or of a new start or anything along those lines. It is famous, but not more so than the Eiffel Tower or Big Ben and it holds a status roughly similar to those in the minds of people over here.

And the large statues at Gibraltar your thinking about didn't exist. Gibraltar was known as the pillars of Hercules, but were not marked with any kind of ornaments by the Greek, indeed it lay outside the Greek cultural sphere and within the western Phoenician or Carthagenean instead, though they never chose to mark it. What you are most likely thinking about with giant statues that are important symbolically in the ancient world was the Colossus of Rhodes, at least that is the one listed among the seven wonders of the ancient world.

[May-chan]

It's just too bad that Frank Lloyd Wright's design for a mile-high skyscraper never came to be... cause that'd be my #1 choice...

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/m ... linois.jpg

long tower is long

[Coruscate]

Ummm...Koru. I never mentioned the wooden ramp theory for the pyramids at all.

That's been an absolute mainstay among Egyptologists for decades.

The wooden logs to roll over was for Stonehenge. Stonehenge was in a moor in England the last time i checked while the Pyramids were on the Giza plateau in Egypt.

Also who would be bloody stupid enough to think that desert dwellers who didn't even have wood enough for using it in basic tools would make ramps from that material?

Mainstream egyptologists who have been yelling and screaming at anyone who dared to disagree with them, also for decades.

Colossus of Rhodes, at least that is the one listed among the seven wonders of the ancient world.

That's whyI had several question marks on my Gibraltar comment, I was unsure.

[Coruscate]

It's just too bad that Frank Lloyd Wright's design for a mile-high skyscraper never came to be... cause that'd be my #1 choice...

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/m ... linois.jpg

long tower is long

Man, that's awesome @_@

[Raijin]

I said idiots because I'm making a strong assumption that many american's don't even really know a full seven of those listed... just like how in the poll of America's greatest president... Bush, Clinton, and Reagan were near or at the top of the list because most of the voters were only familiar with recent presidents... thus I'd imagine they'd vote for statue of liberty because they think "OMG amereka nombar 1! we are tuh bestest hurr hurr! All dose udder 1's R in commie-nazi-terrorist countrees, I thunk..."

-_-

I wouldn't really know who the greatest of American presidents are also listing them meh. Its really more to the fact I don't care really. But my vote would most likely go to Rome's Colosseum, Rome I believe is one of the oldest cities today if not the oldest, active that is. So don't shoot me if I am wrong hai?

[May-chan]

heh, Rome is not the oldest. Even if talking about that area, Athens is obviously older and still a major city... As for what the oldest still remaining and still active... I dunno, but I actually think it would probably be in Iraq or Iran... since the birth of civilization as we know it took root there...

[Raijin]

heh, Rome is not the oldest. Even if talking about that area, Athens is obviously older and still a major city... As for what the oldest still remaining and still active... I dunno, but I actually think it would probably be in Iraq or Iran actually... since the birth of civilization as we know it took root there...

-chibi forms, sit slumped in a corner completely white withe anime depress scribbles over her head. She gently pokes at the ground- Oh....

[Mitera Nikkou]

Raijin:

Well, Alexandria, of Egypt, was from just before or after Alexander the Great's death, so it may be older than Rome. or about as old. I'm not sure.

Another possible wonder:

Channel tunnel. While it's the second-longest rail tunnel, it's the longest underwater rail tunnel.

[Christina Anikari]

Athens or perhaps some other greek city is as far as i know the oldest continually settled city still around. The ancient ones from Mesopotamia have all been moved or somehow else went out of use. Still there are some decently old ones around there.

[Miyukicl]

Easter Island ^^ when visit it place was charm ^^ . ¬_¬ only need a iceberg for my penguins

[Kara-chan]

I'm saying that the Old City of Jerusalem should be there, so much awesome, it's a holy site to more than half of the world's people and has an amazing amount of history to it too.