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Adell Plushie wrote:But aren't you defining a species that spans dozens of different fiction genres according to one little subset of them? It'd be like if I judged all demons by the wandering monster variety (definitely at the low end of the awesome scale).
Demons are pretty awesome, but men are better because you don't see any truly remarkable specimens come out of demonkind. You have your garden-variety demons, and then you have... your insanely powerful demons. And having a bunch of power doesn't make one awesome.
And you don't make a better case for dinosaurs than Lian does. They're a bunch of dumb, lazy, under-evolved lizards that already went extinct, save for a few pockets of survivors that are usually hunted down for sport or used as mounts by more intelligent creatures.
The most awesome of the dinosaur-like species would have to be the Reptites - again, because of their similarity to humans - at least before they were all defeated by a time-traveling samurai and then destroyed by Lavos' arrival on Earth...
Lian wrote:Humans are REptite like not the other way around. Dinosaurs did it first. Humanity in general is a race of posers. Walking upright? Dinosaurs. Tools? Dinosaurs. even ignoring the obviousness of Dinosaur posering of humanity we go into fantasy worlds.
Go with Tolkien. First race? Elves. Everything of human culture bastardization of elfin works.
And so many worlds take that trope mixing it up occasionally with Dragons, or catgirls or whatever.. but in the end humanity is and always will be that poser kid who thinks he's cool because he's doing things all the other races did thousands or millions of years ago.
Look at Warhammer. Humans took the elves' magic. We took the dwarves' technology. We took all the stuff that was useful to us and copied it, and then forged the biggest, baddest empire around. Men rock.
Adell Plushie wrote:Lian wrote:Humans are REptite like not the other way around. Dinosaurs did it first. Humanity in general is a race of posers. Walking upright? Dinosaurs. Tools? Dinosaurs. even ignoring the obviousness of Dinosaur posering of humanity we go into fantasy worlds.
Go with Tolkien. First race? Elves. Everything of human culture bastardization of elfin works.
And so many worlds take that trope mixing it up occasionally with Dragons, or catgirls or whatever.. but in the end humanity is and always will be that poser kid who thinks he's cool because he's doing things all the other races did thousands or millions of years ago.
Yeah... I don't buy that at all.
And it doesn't change the fact that reptites bit it while humans lived on. Humans: 1. Reptites: Nada.
If we're just a bunch of posers, then at least we're the most awesome posers there are!
Look at Warhammer. Humans took the elves' magic. We took the dwarves' technology. We took all the stuff that was useful to us and copied it, and then forged the biggest, baddest empire around. Men rock.
Lian wrote:Nope just posers. Lame lame posers. You don't build anything new. Even teh Elves made a chaos god. What chaos god can say "man kinds mistakes made me?" no one..
Adell Plushie wrote:Lian wrote:Nope just posers. Lame lame posers. You don't build anything new. Even teh Elves made a chaos god. What chaos god can say "man kinds mistakes made me?" no one..
That part about the Chaos Gods is certainly true.
I mean, I personally consider it a point vastly in the favor of human awesomeness that they weren't so full of themselves and hedonistic that they ended up ripping a hole in time and space with their stupidity, but I cannot argue the fact that they did not.
As for the poser argument... sorry. I don't judge entire species using the same standards as I might use to criticize people's fashion choices in high school. You're free to, of course, but I personally find the ability and intelligence to take precisely what we want from the world around us and thrive above and beyond the so-called "superior ancient races" that "did it first" perfectly awesome. I don't really care if the elves did magic before humans; look where it got them. They have a single puny island and a slowly shrinking population whose favorite pasttime is gloating about how great and mighty they used to be. That screams "losers".
Lian wrote:Above and beyond? Bull. They are children playing in the ruins of greatness. Taking what their primitive minds can possibly grasp.
The Dwarf Kingdom is still in its death throws and when it happens humanity will bear the brunt of the green Skins. The Empire is not on par with the Elves of old.. or the Dwarves.. and DEFINATELY not the Slann.. they may not even be on par with the Ogre of old. Perhaps Cathay is.. but its ruled by a Dragon.
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