Good PS3 games to look forward to/buy

[Shadell]

Recently got a PS3 and I'm trying to figure out what games I should buy/rent in the future.

So far the list isn't that large, still better then what I've been interested in for the Wii though.

Heavenly Blade
White Knight Chronicles
Folklore
Valkyria Chronicles
Disgaea 3

And that's all I have right now. Has there been any mention of a PS3 game from any of the RPG franchises that have been predominantly for playstation systems?

Suikoden
Wild Arms
Tales (For a series that's had most of its main releases for playstation systems having one for every new system but the PS3 seems odd.)
Shin Megami Tensai

Do any of these franchises have a PS3 title in the works that anyone's heard of?

[Sam]

As of right now, Sony has yet to have announced any of the series you mentioned coming to the ps3.

[Mitera Nikkou]

I can probably answer for one series of RPG games: the Tales series.

As far as I know, Tales of Symphonia: Knight Of Ratatosk won't be on the PS3; at least not on release. It may, however, arrive later on, as Tales of Symphonia did for the PS2. Tales of Vesperia will be exclusive to the XBox 360. But it sounds like you already know about these two. Other than that, I've heard nothing.

I agree that each of the new Tales games on the horizon each being exclusive to a particular console is odd, but not because of anything having to do with the (current) exclusion of the PS3 or because of how many titles have been on either one of the generations of PS consoles.

When you get right down to it, you'd think that having a game on all consoles would allow a larger audience to purchase the game, but... I guess it's just business as usual. Although one must consider that not all Tales games have been produced by the same team, and so the reasons behind their choices could differ. That aside, it could be that they're going to check and see which console they will become loyal to, for whatever reason. The Tales series did start on a Nintendo console, after all, and the generation after that, the N64, simply had a vastly smaller audience than the PS1 had, so... Who knows? I mean, even though the Gamecube was pretty much in the same position, they still made Symphonia on it and, for a while, it was exclusive to that console. And now the PS3 is the one with the smaller audience, if this is any indication. Add the fact that both the Wii and Xbox 360 are cheaper than the PS3, and thus have the a greater potential for growth in the audience department in the near future, and you can pretty much see where I'm going with this.

Personally, I like the idea of it favoring Nintendo because, when I see Nintendo, I see a video game company with an actual interest in video games. When I see Sony or Microsoft, I see corporations doing what corporations do best: business, as always.

Yes, I was bored. Sorry. <_<;

[Shadell]

But there were 3 or 4 PS2 Tales releases compared to the 1 Gamecube one. The first Tales game was released on SNES; but, it was the only system out at the time. After Playstation came out, the number of Tales Games dwarfed those given to other systems.

As to Nintendo actually caring about videogames? That's just a carefully cultivated myth. All of the companies have their product selling strategies, Nintendo just opts to take more risks and field newer technology.

Owning both a PS3 and a Wii, I can safely say that, in the rare occasions its used, the motion sensitive capacity of the PS3 Sixaxis controller is far more accurate and easier to use then what I've seen in most Wii games that used the gyros in the wii mote . (It's one of the best features of Heavenly Blade.)

Also it's statistically idiotic to compare total sales of the 360 to the other two, because it was released over a year before the PS3.

So far in 2008, the PS3 has been outselling the XBox 360 in most months. Also the PS2 is still selling only a bit worse then the newer systems while the Xbox is dead. That means, Sony is still earning a good chunk more profit from its game sales, and splitting its market.

Sony loyalists who own PS2s may not buy the PS3 until the PS2 becomes obsolete. Given that its still getting a good selection of releases, it's fair to say that the PS3s growth potential surpasses the 360s by a good margin.

(The Wii of course is blasting everything else to little bits in terms of sales.)

[Raleigh]

As someone who owns all the systems, I will say I think the big N is the more likable company. They are a toy maker still making toys, not some massive home entertainment work horse. That aside, and admittedly I am a big N fanboy, I haven't heard of any of the last set of games you mentioned coming to the PS3. Are they likely to, yes with the possible exception of Suikoden. I don't really think there will be any more of that series as the last one barely sold to my understanding. Shin Megami Tensei's next game, Persona 4, will be another PS2 game I understand.

PS3's are being hurt by Sony's decision to cease the backwards compatibility and those that have any backwards compatibility causing problems with erased memory cards and worse. Right now the PS2 sales will continue as the old models die so that gamers can continue to play their still launching PS2 games and their old PS1 faves. Sony really should have kept the backwards compatibility running as it was their biggest advantage to me as an owner of over 100+ PS1 and PS2 games.

[Kether]

As someone who owns all the systems, I will say I think the big N is the more likable company. They are a toy maker still making toys, not some massive home entertainment work horse. That aside, and admittedly I am a big N fanboy, I haven't heard of any of the last set of games you mentioned coming to the PS3. Are they likely to, yes with the possible exception of Suikoden. I don't really think there will be any more of that series as the last one barely sold to my understanding. Shin Megami Tensei's next game, Persona 4, will be another PS2 game I understand.

PS3's are being hurt by Sony's decision to cease the backwards compatibility and those that have any backwards compatibility causing problems with erased memory cards and worse. Right now the PS2 sales will continue as the old models die so that gamers can continue to play their still launching PS2 games and their old PS1 faves. Sony really should have kept the backwards compatibility running as it was their biggest advantage to me as an owner of over 100+ PS1 and PS2 games.

The problem is SOny needs you to buy 30 PS3 games to make a profit on each ps3...so they really had to push people into buying ps3 games

[Raleigh]

Folklore is indeed an interesting game. Nothing you haven't seen if you've been playing things like DMC for awhile but at the same time its absolutely awesome to see a game with all that Irish and general European mythology in it. Its been a long time since I've seen a game that didn't concentrate on either Norse, Shinto, or Middle Eastern myths. I am not counting the SMT series as they do a fair even smattering.

[Kether]

Folklore is indeed an interesting game. Nothing you haven't seen if you've been playing things like DMC for awhile but at the same time its absolutely awesome to see a game with all that Irish and general European mythology in it. Its been a long time since I've seen a game that didn't concentrate on either Norse, Shinto, or Middle Eastern myths. I am not counting the SMT series as they do a fair even smattering.

Do you mean Judeo-christian because there's alot more to Middle eastern myths than that..

[Raleigh]

No, I mean quite a few others besides that. That element does appear a bit though. Zoroastrianism is actually what I see a lot of.

[Mitera Nikkou]

But there were 3 or 4 PS2 Tales releases compared to the 1 Gamecube one. The first Tales game was released on SNES; but, it was the only system out at the time. After Playstation came out, the number of Tales Games dwarfed those given to other systems.

Okay, so maybe you didn't see where I was going...

What I said was this: if the first two PS consoles had the largest audience, why bother with the Gamecube, which suffered from a smaller audience and a smaller library of games to draw people in with (as with the N64)? I mean, they didn't even bother with the N64. Perhaps it has something to do with a difference in the Japanese market, because it makes me wonder why they would make an exclusive game for the Gamecube when they seem quite secure with the PS2. And add to the fact that it was only long after Symphonia's success that they finally decided to port it to th PS2; you know, the one with the larger audience?

And now we have a new generation of consoles out there, and I think the exclusion of the PS3, at this time, might have something to do with the decision that they had made with Symphonia. Other than that, as I've said, it could just be because the PS3 isn't doing as well.

As to Nintendo actually caring about videogames? That's just a carefully cultivated myth. All of the companies have their product selling strategies, Nintendo just opts to take more risks and field newer technology.

A business needs to make money, of course; it's only common sense. But the fact that Nintendo takes those risks is evident of its character. A business, if it's business as always, markets their products in ways they're familiar with, and stick with methods and trends that they can relatively-easily assess the possible outcome in the future. Taking a risk involves throwing the dice, having no idea what the outcome will be beyond a guess.

And are you saying that Miyamoto doesn't care about video games? He looks like a video game kind of guy to me. Are the equivalent of Sony and Microsoft the same way? This I ask you.

Owning both a PS3 and a Wii, I can safely say that, in the rare occasions its used, the motion sensitive capacity of the PS3 Sixaxis controller is far more accurate and easier to use then what I've seen in most Wii games that used the gyros in the wii mote . (It's one of the best features of Heavenly Blade.)

(Heavenly Sword, you mean?)

As for the PS3's Sixaxis controller, I wouldn't care if it were more accurate then the wiimote. It's simply stupid to raise a sword by tilting a controller up. It's just not realistic or as fun. I'd rather have a remote that acts as the hilt for the sword. And, with time, I'm sure improvements can be made in both the wiimotes and the games that translate the their movements.

Also it's statistically idiotic to compare total sales of the 360 to the other two, because it was released over a year before the PS3.

No, it's not idiotic. It's cheap and, even though it did come out a year earlier, it's audience is still about twice as big as the PS3's right now. There are advantages to getting a foothold in the market early; it doesn't automatically disqualify them from anything. The fact is that, right now, the Xbox 360 has a larger audience, has a cheaper console (and thus has the potential to expand that audience still more), and it has a decent-sized library of games to draw people with.

The question is when the PS3 will overtake the Xbox 360 in total sales to date, no matter the starting point. Some could be speculating that it's a bit of a way down the road, and may also be a possible reason for why there's yet any sign of a Tales game appearing on the PS3.

Other than that, the thing about potential is that it doesn't guarantee anything. All it does is draw a map of the possibilities. The PS3 may very well end up doing better than the Xbox 360, or even better than the Wii, in the future. But that's just it: that's the future, and this is now.

Raleigh:

And ceasing backwards compatibility really is a stupid move. Not that I've heard good things about it, anyway (such as making the graphics of PS2 games look worse than they were on the PS2 itself).

And they actually have Zoroastrianism in there? Have any Christians or Jews had a cow, yet? (You know, kind of like what happened with the Golden compass and Passion of the Christ.) Or are they in denial? (Or has it just ducked their radar?)

[Raleigh]

I was talking about rpgs and such in general. I know I've seen Angra Mainyu several times in various forms in games. Personally I would expect people to have more of an issue with Gnosticism which I know I have seen in at least 6 games than Zoroaster's creation.


Folklore is purely European and mostly Irish myth and would probably raise a few hackles amongst people anyway if they paid it much attention.

[Shadell]

Okay, so maybe you didn't see where I was going...

What I said was this: if the first two PS consoles had the largest audience, why bother with the Gamecube, which suffered from a smaller audience and a smaller library of games to draw people in with (as with the N64)? I mean, they didn't even bother with the N64. Perhaps it has something to do with a difference in the Japanese market, because it makes me wonder why they would make an exclusive game for the Gamecube when they seem quite secure with the PS2. And add to the fact that it was only long after Symphonia's success that they finally decided to port it to th PS2; you know, the one with the larger audience?

And now we have a new generation of consoles out there, and I think the exclusion of the PS3, at this time, might have something to do with the decision that they had made with Symphonia. Other than that, as I've said, it could just be because the PS3 isn't doing as well.

They released Tales games for the PS2 before they released Symphonia. Branching out to other systems doesn't equate to ignoring your mainstay.

Compare the demographics of the systems though.

How many people bought the 360 for halo?

How many non-serious gamers by the wii (That outreach to different demographics is the key to its high sales.)

Consequently, in a contest of RPG sales, total system sales are a number and just that. They look nice, but, especially considering the time delay between the systems, don't mean anything without further data to expand on the numbers.

A business needs to make money, of course; it's only common sense. But the fact that Nintendo takes those risks is evident of its character. A business, if it's business as always, markets their products in ways they're familiar with, and stick with methods and trends that they can relatively-easily assess the possible outcome in the future. Taking a risk involves throwing the dice, having no idea what the outcome will be beyond a guess.

And are you saying that Miyamoto doesn't care about video games? He looks like a video game kind of guy to me. Are the equivalent of Sony and Microsoft the same way? This I ask you.

I'm saying that you don't succeed in an oligarchy unless you're cunning. The sole reason Nintendo innovates is because it thinks it will sell more products that way. If it didn't believe that, it wouldn't be that company.

Simply put, Nintendo believes the reward will benefit it; cultivates its image as an innovator to make people react the same way you do, and reals in the profits.

Innovation is just a different strategy to conduct business like usual, not a mark of a genuine spirit.

Post-Fordism is innovation.

Companies exist to make money, as simple as that. Non-price competition (Research and innovation) is constant in an oligarchy like the video game system industry.

As for Miyamato, he looks that way to you? I don't presume you've ever met him?

Elliot Spitzer didn't look like a sex fiend.

Numerous Republicans caught in gay scandals certainly didn't run their elections on that platform.

People in the public image alter themselves and don't reveal their entire beings. It's logical.

(Heavenly Sword, you mean?)

As for the PS3's Sixaxis controller, I wouldn't care if it were more accurate then the wiimote. It's simply stupid to raise a sword by tilting a controller up. It's just not realistic or as fun. I'd rather have a remote that acts as the hilt for the sword. And, with time, I'm sure improvements can be made in both the wiimotes and the games that translate the their movements.

They can. The same can probably be said for the sixaxis. Besides which, using it to lift a sword would be a silly use for the item. Heavenly Sword, for example, used the tilt functions to let you control the flight of arrows and the like. It was challenging at first, but overall quite fun once you got the hang of it, and more importantly, far more reactive then I've experienced with similar usage of the wiimote.

It doesn't need to match every aspect of the wii's motion sensitivity to have a good area of function in that direction that allows for innovative gameplay.

No, it's not idiotic. It's cheap and, even though it did come out a year earlier, it's audience is still about twice as big as the PS3's right now. There are advantages to getting a foothold in the market early; it doesn't automatically disqualify them from anything. The fact is that, right now, the Xbox 360 has a larger audience, has a cheaper console (and thus has the potential to expand that audience still more), and it has a decent-sized library of games to draw people with.

The question is when the PS3 will overtake the Xbox 360 in total sales to date, no matter the starting point. Some could be speculating that it's a bit of a way down the road, and may also be a possible reason for why there's yet any sign of a Tales game appearing on the PS3.

Other than that, the thing about potential is that it doesn't guarantee anything. All it does is draw a map of the possibilities. The PS3 may very well end up doing better than the Xbox 360, or even better than the Wii, in the future. But that's just it: that's the future, and this is now.

You were specifically mentioning future audience growth. Potential doesn't guarantee anything; but, it's still quite important to consider in terms of business strategy. The future is fundamentally what people are thinking about when they invest a year or more developing a game.

A system like this has growth that follows an S-curve. It starts out slow and then speeds up rapidly before leveling off. The X-box 360 has had it's higher points for longer. Total sales as of now show nothing about the system's life expectancy nor about it's popularity.

Logically PS3s will continue to sell after X-Box 360s slow down.

Especially once you realize that Sony is still creating the system most similar to the PS3, the PS2. Those sales are still going strong, cutting into Sony's PS3 sales. As it slowly drops out, a large rise in sales would be the most logical expectation.

[Mitera Nikkou]

Raleigh:

I was just wondering since Zoroastrianism, if I remember correctly, is the earliest known monotheistic religion and influenced Judaism, which in turn formed the basis for Christianity.

They released Tales games for the PS2 before they released Symphonia. Branching out to other systems doesn't equate to ignoring your mainstay.

But what sense does it make to make one game on another console, and only after a while decide to have it on the console they've focused on? And now there's two Tales games for the Wii, one for the Xbox 360, and yet to be one announced for the PS3. That's despite whatever promising future the PS3 has, as well as the relations before, with the PS2.

You found it odd, I found it odd, and I have no idea what kind of logic you're using to explain it, or even if you are trying to explain it. O.o

I'm saying that you don't succeed in an oligarchy unless you're cunning. The sole reason Nintendo innovates is because it thinks it will sell more products that way. If it didn't believe that, it wouldn't be that company.

Simply put, Nintendo believes the reward will benefit it; cultivates its image as an innovator to make people react the same way you do, and reals in the profits.

Well, honestly, Nintendo needed to do it since it hasn't had enough games that made people flock to systems like the others do since the SNES. As you mentioned before, there's Halo for the Xbox. Then there are others that draw in large crowds, between the PS3 and Xbox 360, such as Metal Gear and Grand Theft Auto.

Either way, I don't buy Nintendo because of innovation. To put it frankly, the wiimote is a bit challenging for me and, even though I'm sure it will have its unique uses, I'm not the sort of person who will be able to enjoy them much. I just like holding a controller in my lap.

I prefer Nintendo because it was cheaper (which is always a plus for a poor person, such as myself), and because it didn't focus on the hardware in the same way as the others did. That, and because Fire Emblem is but one of a few games left, that I have any interest in anymore. PS3 will probably end up with a larger selection of games again, if not so already, but there was only so much money that I'm willing to spend for something that I can't see myself being interested in not too far down the road.

Post-Fordism is innovation.

For my personal amusement, I will say that that is debatable. ;p

As for Miyamato, he looks that way to you? I don't presume you've ever met him?

Elliot Spitzer didn't look like a sex fiend.

Numerous Republicans caught in gay scandals certainly didn't run their elections on that platform.

People in the public image alter themselves and don't reveal their entire beings. It's logical.

True. You got me there. But it's just a feeling I have, and I'm rarely proven wrong. Either way, that last part, after the examples you gave, was the only one that was good. Although I wouldn't quite call it logical. If you ever hear how people are caught with the things they try to hide, it's often because they weren't being logical. And when you get right down to it, a lot of people alter and hide things about themselves without really thinking about it, so it's usually irrational and, consequently, illogical.

But that's straying from the main argument... Whatever it was... I forgot. Let's get to the next part so I can remember. <_<;

*Reads on*

Or not... I kind of covered the relevant parts of the rest in a previous part above. I think.

That or I'm too tired to think straight. Bed time for me, it is. Z_Z

[Shadell]

You found it odd, I found it odd, and I have no idea what kind of logic you're using to explain it, or even if you are trying to explain it. O.o

I was merely commenting that it's odd and rather silly, at least if my perception of the Playstation as the most RPG centered system is shared by a good number of people.

For my personal amusement, I will say that that is debatable. ;p

How so?

[Raleigh]

The 360 will never compete really on the rpg front but it is going to be experiencing, and currently is to some extent, a boom of such games in the near future up until possibly half way through next year. Infinite Undiscovery, Last Remnant, Spectral Force 3, Operation Darkness, Fable 2, The already mentioned Tales of Vesperia, and I believe about three others are all set to release on it.