01:12:55 <Puyopuyo> !pointer
01:12:55 <Sacchi> http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/cochineal-logs/Cochineal-2011-02-04.html#T1-12-55
01:46:22 <Pipian> And I'm still logging on this end as well
01:46:41 <Pipian> Sacchi might go down for a few days in the near future as I found out today that the box it's on got rooted
01:47:16 <Pipian> So some time in the next few days it'll be down for about 2-3 days
01:53:45 <Puyopuyo> ....how?
01:53:55 <Puyopuyo> Someone with a lot of patience?
02:01:57 <Pipian> Haha
02:02:15 <Pipian> Nah, it runs on a box which had a vulnerable version of exim running.
02:02:21 <Puyopuyo> Ah. That sucks.
02:02:22 <Pipian> (Mailer daemon)
02:02:31 <Pipian> My own fault for not upgrading as soon as I saw
02:02:36 <Puyopuyo> (I wasn't willing to believe that you had dropped the ball with a stupid password.
02:02:37 <Puyopuyo> )
02:03:10 <Pipian> I only have stupid passwords where the risk of getting it plucked out of the air is high (e.g. no https)
02:03:30 <Puyopuyo> Heh
02:03:39 <Pipian> I mean
02:03:40 <Pipian> At that point
02:03:51 <Pipian> What's the point of using a secure password if it's not actually secure?
02:04:48 <Puyopuyo> True
02:05:31 * Pipian looks over the attacks Crobat learns
02:05:49 <Pipian> I guess there's no reason to not teach it Fly over Air Cutter.
02:19:00 <Puyopuyo> Ugh, Apple's App store is giving me a headache.
02:19:33 <Pipian> It's a terrible deal for all involved except Apple
02:19:49 <Puyopuyo> Working out fine for iCoder.
02:20:09 <Pipian> Who still has to give up 30% to Apple
02:20:20 <Pipian> Plus
02:20:27 <Pipian> no guarantee Apple won't not-pay-out
02:20:36 <Pipian> In which case iCoder ends up out $100
02:22:34 <Pipian> And I'm not really all that big on the Ulugu guys either
02:22:37 <Pipian> I mean
02:22:51 <Pipian> You're only paying lip service if your code is GPL
02:23:03 <Pipian> But you can't actually make a working game because all your assets aren't.
02:23:13 <Puyopuyo> You get a snapshot of all the assets.
02:23:23 <Puyopuyo> And you are allowed to redistrobute them FOR FREE.
02:23:29 <nathanbp> isn't that exactly the process that many other games that are now open source are?
02:23:33 <nathanbp> like Doom and Quake?
02:23:36 <Puyopuyo> Pretty much.
02:23:45 <Puyopuyo> It was made open source for the modders.
02:23:57 <Puyopuyo> Which was kind of the goal when the original Humble Indie Bundle was launched.
02:24:07 <Puyopuyo> I mean, 1 million bucks? Yeah, let the modders have fun.
02:24:14 <Pipian> I'm not saying they're wrong
02:24:45 <Pipian> I'm just a little wary of it since it seems vaguely two-faced to me.
02:24:51 <Puyopuyo> How's that?
02:24:56 <Pipian> But they're well within their rights to do this.
02:24:58 <Pipian> Oh
02:25:27 <Puyopuyo> Kind of annoying that they can't DMCA Apple, because Apple is technically making a profit off of it.
02:25:27 <Pipian> I'm just saying from the philosophical standpoint from which the GPL was derived.
02:25:47 <Puyopuyo> Hrm...won't argue with you there.
02:26:19 <Puyopuyo> But on the other hand, being willing to open souce, especially when you're a small indie company, is rather bold, even if you are granting a public license via GPL.
02:26:26 <Pipian> Exactly.
02:26:33 <Pipian> I won't fault them their choice
02:26:56 <Pipian> Same as I don't fault the VLC guys for pulling VLC from the iPhone store either.
02:27:42 <Puyopuyo> Ugh
02:27:47 <Puyopuyo> That was a headache too.
02:28:28 <Pipian> If they feel that way about their code, they are within their rights (according to the GPL) to do that.
02:28:37 <Pipian> Similarly with these guys
02:28:45 <Pipian> They're well within their right to NOT open-source the assets.
02:31:05 <Pipian> (Exactly because of things like this)
02:32:08 <Puyopuyo> I'm of the opinion that this is actually bad for the end consumer. Mostly because it suggests to indie developers that open sourcing is a bad idea.
02:32:27 <Pipian> But iCoder is the real jerk of the two
02:32:44 <Pipian> Eh
02:32:48 <Pipian> It's bound to happen in any case
02:32:51 <Pipian> When you open source
02:33:06 <Pipian> You have to accept that people will distribute recompiled binaries with the source.
02:33:24 <Pipian> So if game developers are dissuaded from open sources
02:33:52 <Pipian> Then they shouldn't have been considering it.
02:34:07 <Pipian> *dissuaded because of this I mean.
02:34:23 <Puyopuyo> Well, I figure the ones who already committed to open sourcing will continue, but this may have convinced others that it's outright unworthwhile.
02:34:39 <Pipian> Well, that's what I mean.
02:34:45 <Pipian> If it wasn't this game
02:34:52 <Pipian> It would have been some other open-source game.
02:35:34 <Pipian> And they'd still be dissuaded.
02:35:56 <Pipian> Again, if any game dev is considering open sourcing their game with the expectation that they're not going to lose sales because of it
02:36:13 <Pipian> They should think twice.
02:37:05 <Puyopuyo> Yeah, you're right.
02:37:26 <Puyopuyo> But I think it's one thing to lose sales due to people grabbing it from the corners of the internet...
02:37:40 <Puyopuyo> It's another to go to a proprietary store and say "bootleg? I'll take it!" *is reminded of some Gamestops*
02:38:11 <Pipian> Not much you can do about that though.
02:38:16 <Pipian> Bootlegs are always going to exist.
02:39:18 <Pipian> The GPL explicitly allows people to resell programs.
02:39:32 <Pipian> As long as they give the source-code with the game
02:39:34 <Pipian> It's A-OK.
02:40:55 <Puyopuyo> I know.
02:41:04 <Pipian> So I agree that it's a bad thing.
02:41:08 <Pipian> It's bad faith on iCoder
02:41:23 <Puyopuyo> But again, I think there's a difference between bootlegs on torrent sites and bootlegs in the friggen Apple Store.
02:42:35 <Pipian> But, ignoring the obvious copyright violation on the assets (and perhaps the name of the game), iCoder is otherwise well within his rights.
02:43:50 <nathanbp> "well if you ignore everything he did that was wrong, he's in the clear!"
02:44:06 <Pipian> Well, yeah.
02:44:52 <Puyopuyo> ...well, Nathan said it. I don't need to.
02:45:00 <Pipian> I'm merely trying to demonstrate that it's a somewhat more nuanced/complicated situation than it would be had Luguru remained closed source.
02:45:23 <Pipian> Let me put it this way
02:45:29 <Pipian> Had he replaced the assets
02:45:35 <Pipian> And renamed the game
02:45:41 <Puyopuyo> They would have no complaint.
02:45:47 <Pipian> Exactly.
02:45:54 <Pipian> But would they complain if it was (say)
02:45:58 <Pipian> "Son of Luguru"
02:46:02 <Puyopuyo> Probably not.
02:46:07 <Pipian> and appeared to be a sequel that shared no assets?
02:46:15 <Puyopuyo> Pretty sure they wouldn't.
02:46:37 <Puyopuyo> Having spoken to them, they knew what they were getting into when they open sourced, and looked forward to seeing what the modders would do with their code.
02:46:52 <Puyopuyo> (At least, that's what one of them said when I talked to him at PAX)
02:47:25 <Puyopuyo> They're pretty laid back about most things. Remember, 25% of the Humble Indie Bundle downloads from their server were pirated.
02:47:43 <Puyopuyo> And they said "Not too much we can do about it. No sense in making it worse for the 75% who didn't."
02:48:09 <Pipian> Well
02:48:13 <Pipian> Alright then.
02:48:46 <Pipian> It is a shame, and a very bad situation in any case.
02:48:58 <Pipian> On the other hand
02:49:00 <Puyopuyo> See, had I not actually met them and realized that they're honestly trying to do what us curmudgeony bastards have been demanding from developers for years, I may be a bit more questioning.
02:49:02 <Pipian> Apple can't do much proactively.
02:49:12 <Pipian> They don't have the resources to check copyright of everything
02:49:36 <Pipian> All they have you do is sign an agreement that has you promise you own the copyright in everything.
02:49:57 <Pipian> I think they COULD do a DMCA takedown request on Apple though.
02:50:05 <Puyopuyo> I'm not sure about that.
02:50:25 <Puyopuyo> As Apple is technically making a profit on the bootleg, I don't know what the DMCA says about it.
02:50:42 <Pipian> Then that means they're liable and could be sued
02:50:47 <Puyopuyo> Yup.
02:50:52 <Pipian> It actually makes it worse for them
02:51:00 <Pipian> But a DMCA takedown could (theoretically) work anyway.
02:51:16 <Puyopuyo> True.
02:51:27 <Puyopuyo> I wonder if Wolfire hasn't already considered it.
02:51:34 <Puyopuyo> As they contacted all concerned parties...
02:51:46 <Pipian> But yeah, Apple can't do much proactively, all they can do is do a pull-down after the fact
02:51:50 <Pipian> And for whatever reason
02:51:55 <Pipian> Their processes are slow about this.
02:52:03 <Pipian> That's probably about the only thing they could do in response
02:52:07 <Puyopuyo> I'm actually surprised they don't have the Youtube instinct.
02:52:21 <Pipian> Respond to complaints faster.
02:52:21 <Puyopuyo> Which is "Oh dear, a challenge. Take 'em both down, sort it out, let the victor go back up"
02:52:28 <Pipian> Hah
02:52:30 <Pipian> Well
02:52:33 <Pipian> That's apple for you.
02:52:40 <Pipian> Apple only is proactive about jailbreaks.
02:52:45 <Puyopuyo> I mean, it's not ideal, but then the only party truly-
02:52:51 <Puyopuyo> Jailbreaks of their own tech.
02:53:20 <Pipian> Right.
02:54:53 <Pipian> Everyone in this drama has done something wrong (although with Wolfire it's more of a philosophical wrong rather than a true ethical wrong, so I can agree to disagree about that point)
02:56:40 <Pipian> (It's by far the weakest wrong of the three actors, so I won't begrudge them it at all)
03:04:11 <gadgetgrl> !pointer
03:04:11 <Sacchi> http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/cochineal-logs/Cochineal-2011-02-04.html#T3-4-11
03:06:03 <Pipian> Getting tired of female Zubats
03:08:08 <Puyopuyo> Heh
03:11:35 <Pipian> It makes getting rid of this stupid Meditite from my team all that much harder
03:12:04 <Puyopuyo> Heh
03:12:24 <Pipian> So useless
03:12:36 <Pipian> So hard to get to L29  where it becomes slightly more useful
03:13:37 <Puyopuyo> Heh
03:13:40 <Pipian> as in
03:13:40 <Pipian> Where it gets an attack it can actually use that's in its good attack stat
03:13:41 <Puyopuyo> Significantly, I'd say.
03:13:56 <Pipian> As opposed to say
03:13:56 <Pipian> Confusion.
03:14:28 <Pipian> Sure you can move-tutor it Zen Headbutt but still
03:14:28 <Pipian> You don't get that until late
03:15:37 <Puyopuyo> Yup.
03:16:39 <Pipian> Yes
03:16:41 <Pipian> new area
03:16:45 <Pipian> maybe I'll get luckier.
03:18:52 <Pipian> See
03:18:57 <Pipian> A female Houndour would be alright
03:19:02 <Pipian> Even though I already have a fire-type
03:19:24 <Pipian> Because it's not another fucking Bibarel, Zubat, or Geodude
03:19:32 <Puyopuyo> I fucking hate Bibarel.
03:20:39 <Pipian> Oh dear
03:20:47 <Pipian> My friend has bred me the Treecko I asked for
03:20:54 <Pipian> But it's apparently "with some surprises"
03:20:58 <Pipian> I'm not sure that's a good thing.
03:21:02 <Puyopuyo> ...PKRS?
03:21:14 <Puyopuyo> silly moves?
03:21:33 <Pipian> Heck if I know
03:22:49 <Pipian> (I gave him a cloned Treecko a while back and forgot that I hadn't bred it first, so I wanted one, but didn't want to clone it again
03:23:29 <Pipian> Thank god every Bibarel I've seen in this area has been male
03:27:32 <Pipian> That's not terrible
03:27:36 <Pipian> Female Girafarig
03:27:57 <Pipian> Silly Girafarig
03:28:02 <Pipian> You can't use Baton Pass here!
03:30:04 <Puyopuyo> Kampfer DVD collection, 40% off on Rightstuf! You know you don't want it, Ian!
03:30:10 <Pipian> ugh
03:30:16 <Pipian> i think i have to go throw up now
03:32:15 <nathanbp> why did that get liscened?
03:32:26 <nathanbp> why are they making another season?
03:32:54 <Puyopuyo> Why are you asking questions no on in the room has an adequate answer for?
03:32:56 <Puyopuyo> *one
03:33:45 <nathanbp> I wanted you all to share the pain of there being another season of that
03:34:38 <Puyopuyo> ...I cannot agree with Sentai Filmworks charging 60 dollars for Canaan. Even at 36, it's too much.
03:34:58 <Puyopuyo> 13 episodes. I'll give 'em 25 for that. Nothing more.
03:35:28 <nathanbp> why would you buy Canaan at all?
03:35:34 <Puyopuyo> To make myself sad: Nyan Koi. 40% off.
03:35:38 <nathanbp> lol
03:35:40 <Puyopuyo> Because it was mediocre and I like Nasu.
03:35:50 <nathanbp> this is why I don't look at rightstuf?
03:35:51 <gadgetgrl> you didn't like nyan koi?
03:36:03 <nathanbp> you liked nyan koi?
03:36:04 <gadgetgrl> i guess i could see why
03:36:05 <Pipian> oh
03:36:09 <Pipian> suddenly that makes sense
03:36:10 <gadgetgrl> not particularly....
03:36:18 <Pipian> Why the Girafarig is "Kirinriki" in Japanese
03:36:19 <Pipian> hum
03:36:20 <gadgetgrl> but there was a lot more that sucked that season
03:36:25 <gadgetgrl> i watched it all >.>
03:36:38 <Puyopuyo> HO SHIT WHEN DID JENN APEAR?
03:36:38 <nathanbp> everything that season or all of nyan koi?
03:36:43 <Puyopuyo> *APPEAR?
03:36:50 <gadgetgrl> lol
03:36:57 <gadgetgrl> that season
03:37:00 <Puyopuyo> Wow, completely didn't notice.
03:37:02 <nathanbp> (22:03:27) gadgetgrl [~gadgetgrl@Rizon-F64C309F.nyc.res.rr.com] entered the room.
03:37:04 <Puyopuyo> I saw.
03:37:05 <gadgetgrl> i didn't mind nyan koi
03:37:07 <Puyopuyo> I can scroll up Nathan.
03:37:10 <gadgetgrl> lol
03:37:13 <nathanbp> lol
03:37:41 <Puyopuyo> Oh god they're synching again stop it.
03:38:06 <Puyopuyo> Also, Ian, what's with the non-8 character nick? You're ruining the uniformity.
03:38:25 <nathanbp> gadgetgrl is 9
03:38:27 <Pipipian> ??
03:38:39 <Puyopuyo> Yeah, can't complain about that.
03:38:41 <Pipipian> What are you talking about?
03:38:45 <Puyopuyo> (Stupid variable width fonts)
03:38:48 <Pipipian> Of course I have 8 characters in my name
03:39:12 <nathanbp> one of my guildmates in wow has a name that's the same number of pixels long in the varible width wow font
03:39:37 <Puyopuyo> Clannad After Story for 42 (40% off!) for Nathan.
03:39:44 <Pipian> I'll be back a little later
03:39:49 <Pipian> Gotta do some trades
03:39:57 <Puyopuyo> Clannad the Motion Picture for 18.
03:40:12 <nathanbp> I didn't really like Clannad taht much
03:40:20 <nathanbp> never finished after story
03:40:26 <nathanbp> or maybe never finished clannad?
03:40:29 <Puyopuyo> Uta Kata for 30...
03:40:44 <Puyopuyo> Sentai Filmworks charges too fucking much.
03:40:46 * Puyopuyo stomps off.
03:40:50 <Puyopuyo> (60 bucks, 13 episodes)
03:41:00 <nathanbp> wow you had to tell me about uta kata
03:41:28 <nathanbp> this is at right stuf?
03:41:32 <Puyopuyo> Yup
03:41:37 <Puyopuyo> Sale until 2/14
03:41:40 <Puyopuyo> Er, Feb 14.
03:42:25 <nathanbp> ugh have to buy that
03:42:25 <nathanbp> :P
03:46:37 <Puyopuyo> Heh
03:47:24 <gadgetgrl> you're a bad influence sam
03:47:38 <Puyopuyo> No I'm not.
03:47:39 <nathanbp> right stuf should give him a comisison
03:47:45 <Puyopuyo> Yes they should.
03:47:47 <gadgetgrl> seriously!
03:47:52 <nathanbp> it's clearly my fault for liking utakata?
03:48:03 <gadgetgrl> and when they ask why, he can just point to you :)
03:48:08 <gadgetgrl> clearly!
03:48:09 <Puyopuyo> It's clearly your fault for being willing to buy any series you like.
03:48:17 <Puyopuyo> Unlike say...the rest of us?
03:48:57 <nathanbp> hey, not any series
03:49:11 <nathanbp> oh speaking of my bad taste the last 3 volumes  of inu yasha arrived today
03:50:06 <Puyopuyo> Oh good, you can collect something else now.
03:51:09 <nathanbp> am I not collecting enough manga for you sam? :P
03:51:43 <Puyopuyo> Nah.
03:51:53 <Puyopuyo> You could just collect something that's more to our mutual tastes.
03:51:58 <nathanbp> I need to buy some more bookshelves
03:52:04 <Puyopuyo> Instead of "Rumiko Takahashi doesn't complete yet ANOTHER series"
03:53:10 <nathanbp> well I'm open to suggestions
03:53:18 * Puyopuyo shrugs.
03:53:24 <Puyopuyo> No idea what you'd care for.
03:53:37 <Puyopuyo> I do know I'm grabbing Drops of God as soon as Vertical releases their first double volume.
03:53:50 <nathanbp> what's drops of god?
03:54:19 <Puyopuyo> Manga about wine.
03:56:25 <nathanbp> I ordered the first volume of Wandering Son
03:57:06 <Puyopuyo> Nice
03:57:47 <nathanbp> doesn't come out until like may tho
03:58:11 <nathanbp> so after the anime is over
04:58:28 <Puyopuyo> Well, time to watch some City Hunter.
05:26:17 <Puyopuyo> ...huh. That was very entertaining. Guess I should watch some more.
05:45:58 <Pipian> That was much longer than I anticipated :o
05:53:23 <Pipian> ffffffuuuuuu
05:53:47 <Pipian> why is it always fucking easthampton
05:53:50 <Pipian> i hate you easthampton
05:53:54 <Pipian> and all that you stand for
06:02:07 * Pipian continues to grouse that Elephant Six can't be bothered to travel 75 miles further east.
06:05:56 <Puyopuyo> Ha ha.
06:08:39 <Pipian> It's also the 20th of March anyway
06:08:47 <Pipian> So I couldn't go EVEN IF I WANTED>
06:09:12 <Pipian> How irritating.
06:19:24 <Puyopuyo> Well, maybe there'll be another concert sometime.
06:19:36 <Pipian> Last surprise tour was 2008
06:19:41 <Pipian> So probably another year or two
06:19:43 <Puyopuyo> Probably.
06:19:52 <Puyopuyo> (Admittedly, I'm pissed that I missed Daft Punk's Alive 2009)
06:19:59 <Puyopuyo> (Which is like once a decade.)
06:34:30 <Puyopuyo> Hrm. Guess I'll watch a third episode of City Hunter.
06:35:04 <Puyopuyo> (Ah, 80s comedic noir-ish series. Always a genre I like.)
07:20:40 <Puyopuyo> Ah, friday, I can relax a bit...
07:20:48 <Puyopuyo> Ugh, too much homework.
07:21:02 <Pipian> Need to start mine
07:21:25 <Puyopuyo> Need to pirate the text book so I can read the first chapter and answer the questions while waiting for mine to come in the mail.
07:21:46 <Puyopuyo> The first chapter is 13 bleeding pages, and Google couldn't preview the whole thing.
07:22:07 <Puyopuyo> I guess I'll do that before I sleep
07:25:45 <gadgetgrl> do you have access to the library systems?
07:25:54 <gadgetgrl> or which book is it, i can see if i can get it through nyu?
07:25:57 <gadgetgrl> or acm
07:37:14 <Puyopuyo> This book: http://ebookee.org/Protocols-and-Architectures-for-Wireless-Sensor-Networks_1024600.html
07:38:48 <Puyopuyo> Well what do you know, that download worked.
07:39:04 <Puyopuyo> I wonder what horrible garbage they've packed into this PDF...OH RIGHT, IT CAN'T RUN ANYTHING FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. HA HA HA.
07:39:44 <Puyopuyo> Anywy, thanks for the offer, but I've got a PDF I can use for now.
07:39:59 <Puyopuyo> I'll probably kill it once I've gotten the book, as I don't need a PDF version of the text.
07:44:26 <Puyopuyo> (When I get a real job and have to stop doing blatantly illegal things like this, I will be sad.)
07:54:28 <gadgetgrl> cool
07:56:34 <Puyopuyo> At least now I can do my homework. Bleh, it's 3 AM. I should sleep. Night all.
07:57:16 <Pipian> I'm also off to bed
07:57:18 <Pipian> Night
07:57:33 <Pipian> (ETA for Sacchi going down is probably Saturday-Sunday time frame)
07:59:42 <gadgetgrl> i'm off as well...night!
08:28:15 <Puyopuyo> What the hell, Miku Miku Dance. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12064495
13:58:01 <Pipian> Well at least it's not some stupid dance
13:59:18 <Pipian> The worst is almost certainly this reskinning to make an MSPA MMD vid
13:59:24 <Pipian> It is absolutely frightening
13:59:38 <Pipian> Because Karkat (a guy) has hips
13:59:41 <Pipian> (what)
13:59:42 <Pipian> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIrPUnMK6QU
15:01:38 <Pipian> Backup is proceeding on Sacchi's server.
16:31:41 <Pipian-Lab> Sacchi, pointer?
16:31:41 <Sacchi> http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/cochineal-logs/Cochineal-2011-02-04.html#T16-31-41
16:32:32 <Pipian-Lab> Am eagerly awaiting a log consisting solely of calls to "Sacchi, pointer?" and "!pointer"
16:35:02 <Puyopuyo> ChanServMe too.
16:35:04 <Puyopuyo> Doh.
16:35:06 <Puyopuyo> Me too.
16:35:19 <Pipian-Lab> How did that line even happen
16:36:26 <Puyopuyo> I really dn't know.
16:36:28 <Puyopuyo> *don't
16:41:27 <Pipian-Lab> googleeeee
16:41:41 <Pipian-Lab> why do you have to remove h.264 support before gpu-decoding is done :((
16:41:48 <Puyopuyo> Booo
16:42:06 <Pipian-Lab> (They still don't have GPU accelerated video decoding for some reason)
16:44:14 <Pipian-Lab> (Or maybe they do?  Investigating anyway)
16:54:39 <Pipian-Lab> These My Little Pony avatars continue to spread at an alarming rate
20:38:00 <Puyopuyo> According to Sega, today is Puyopuyo day.
20:38:02 <Puyopuyo> Go me.
20:38:15 <Puyopuyo> http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/02/04/puyopuyo_wifi/ <- See?
21:58:20 <Puyopuyo> Hrm. Well, that's a pain in the ass.
21:58:34 <Puyopuyo> One of my friend's WD MyBooks decided to have its miniUSB port disconnect from the daughterboard.
21:58:42 <Puyopuyo> So he opened up the whole thing.
21:59:04 <Puyopuyo> Now we're trying to figure out how we can get the data off.
22:40:48 <Pipian-Lab> Can't solder the thing back on?
22:52:59 <Pipian-Lab> http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=franklin%20roosevelt&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1431&bih=764
22:53:05 <Pipian-Lab> One of these things is not like the others.
23:16:23 <Puyopuyo> This is a friend who isn't pleased with the idea of soldering.
23:16:45 <Pipian-Lab> Find an identical drive and swap the daughterboard?
23:16:53 <Puyopuyo> Google muppet!
23:17:02 <Puyopuyo> That's pricey, but one of the things we're going to try.
23:17:16 <Pipian-Lab> Find a defective drive of the same model
23:17:17 <Puyopuyo> I kind of just want to remove the entire damn thing, try docking it and seeing if I can pull crap off like that.
23:17:28 <Pipian-Lab> Preferably with a head crash so you know it's not a daughterboard *shrug*
23:17:40 <Pipian-Lab> That'd be the other option
23:17:49 <Pipian-Lab> Just take the internal drive out
23:20:09 <Puyopuyo> That's my plan.
23:20:50 <Pipian-Lab> Probably the easier option actually
23:20:55 <Puyopuyo> I don't think my old laptop HD failed, but it's sure as hell making it difficult to copy stuff off.
23:21:01 <Pipian-Lab> Blah
23:21:11 <Puyopuyo> (I can access it in Windows using a IDE -> USB adaptor.)
23:21:15 <Puyopuyo> But the copying is SLOW.
23:26:00 <Pipian-Lab> (If I'm lucky, the only disruption to Sacchi will be caused by the fact that DNS changes aren't propagated when the switch over happens.)
23:26:17 <Puyopuyo> (Let's hope you're lucky.
23:29:24 <Pipian-Lab> The main web-dir has been copied
23:29:31 <Pipian-Lab> Now for /etc /usr/local and /var
23:31:26 <Pipian-Lab> Heading out.