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| 05:24:29 [Pipian-Work] | I'd like to congratulate President-elect Willard Mitt Romney |
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| 05:25:59 [Pipian-Work] | Oh hey |
| 05:26:06 [Pipian-Work] | You heard about President-elect Willard Mitt Romney? |
| 05:26:26 [Puyopuyo] | ? |
| 05:26:30 [Puyopuyo] | What about? |
| 05:26:39 [Pipian-Work] | He's all but won the nomination. |
| 05:26:48 [Puyopuyo] | Is anyone surprised? |
| 05:26:49 [Pipian-Work] | Which means he's got a clear shot for the presidency |
| 05:26:59 [Puyopuyo] | He's what the right doesn't what, but will have to settle for. |
| 05:27:14 [Pipian-Work] | Well he's neck and neck with Santorum right now |
| 05:27:17 [Pipian-Work] | (virtually tied) |
| 05:27:21 [Pipian-Work] | In Iowa |
| 05:27:40 [Pipian-Work] | Which means the nomination is his because he'd have had to do far worse to give anyone a shot. |
| 05:28:04 [nathanbp] | You really think Romney is that likely to beat Obama? |
| 05:28:12 [Pipian-Work] | Ah |
| 05:28:19 [Pipian-Work] | Maybe you haven't heard of Americans Elect? |
| 05:28:38 [nathanbp] | You think Americans Elect isn't going to pick Ron Paul? |
| 05:28:47 [Pipian-Work] | Of course not. |
| 05:28:56 [Pipian-Work] | It's being bankrolled by a bunch of hedge fund traders |
| 05:29:05 [nathanbp] | It's a primary on the internet? |
| 05:29:07 [Pipian-Work] | And they have the option to veto anyone they think "isn't centrist enough" |
| 05:29:31 [nathanbp] | Yeah but their opinion of centrist is a Mitt Romney clone? |
| 05:29:33 [Pipian-Work] | Also they're organized in such a way that they're a party which doesn't have to announce their donors |
| 05:29:47 [Pipian-Work] | Sure |
| 05:29:55 [Pipian-Work] | Of course it's a Mitt Romney clone |
| 05:30:03 [Pipian-Work] | But it'll dupe the Independents Obama needs to win |
| 05:30:10 [nathanbp] | I think they are much more likely to nominate a spoiler for the Republicans than the Democrats |
| 05:30:28 [Pipian-Work] | I think it's the opposite. |
| 05:30:33 [Pipian-Work] | Obama no longer has the Youth vote |
| 05:30:39 [Pipian-Work] | And many Independents already hate him |
| 05:30:43 [Pipian-Work] | He can't afford to lose more |
| 05:31:10 [nathanbp] | I doubt that Americans Elect will get enough press to effect the election either way |
| 05:31:10 [Pipian-Work] | Romney on the other hand will have the Republican machine ensuring that even the die hard Tea Partiers who hate Romney come out and vote for him. |
| 05:31:13 [Puyopuyo] | I think Romney's got the best shot, but this hinges upon what happens with the economy. |
| 05:31:29 [Pipian-Work] | As Europe goes, so goes Obama |
| 05:31:32 [Puyopuyo] | I don't think so. The Republican machine hasn't been the well-oiled mechanism we've been expecting. |
| 05:31:39 [Pipian-Work] | (hint: It's sinking) |
| 05:31:45 [Puyopuyo] | I really can't see a lot of the religious vote backing a Mormon. |
| 05:31:51 [nathanbp] | I suspect Obama's Democratic machine will do at least as well for him as the Republican one will do for Romney |
| 05:31:53 [Puyopuyo] | Remember, they're not even Christian. |
| 05:31:59 [Pipian-Work] | While true |
| 05:32:10 [Pipian-Work] | I think Red vs. Blue will end up being more important |
| 05:32:15 [Pipian-Work] | Also |
| 05:32:23 [Pipian-Work] | General consensus is Marco Rubio for Veep |
| 05:32:29 [Puyopuyo] | ....really? |
| 05:32:33 [Pipian-Work] | Which brings the Tea Partiers and Hispanics into the fold. |
| 05:32:41 [Puyopuyo] | It does. |
| 05:32:56 [Pipian-Work] | But yeah. That's the consensus. |
| 05:33:11 [Pipian-Work] | That's why I give Romney 60-40 odds of winning in November. |
| 05:33:21 [Pipian-Work] | Plus with a Republican Congress and Ruth Bader Ginsburg retiring in 2016 |
| 05:33:24 [Puyopuyo] | I think that's too high. |
| 05:33:28 [Pipian-Work] | err 2014 |
| 05:33:28 [Puyopuyo] | I'd give it 55-45 |
| 05:33:29 [Pipian-Work] | sorry |
| 05:33:36 [nathanbp] | Yeah I'd say more like 50-50 |
| 05:33:47 [nathanbp] | Also I doubt congress stays republican |
| 05:33:48 [Puyopuyo] | I'd say that unless a miracle happens in Europe, Romney's got the advantage, but I wouldn't give it a 20 point. |
| 05:34:02 [Puyopuyo] | 10 points is the extent of the spread I'm willing to allow, and even then, I'm iffy. |
| 05:34:07 [Puyopuyo] | This should be 2000 close, I figure. |
| 05:34:14 [nathanbp] | At least the house will go back Democratic |
| 05:34:20 [Pipian-Work] | Why should it? |
| 05:34:22 [Pipian-Work] | Coattails |
| 05:34:25 [Pipian-Work] | At the very least |
| 05:34:29 [Pipian-Work] | *at the most |
| 05:34:37 [nathanbp] | 9% approval rating? |
| 05:34:44 [Pipian-Work] | You misunderstand that |
| 05:34:51 [Pipian-Work] | 9% approval rating is for Congress as a whole |
| 05:35:03 [Pipian-Work] | Individual ratings are still high |
| 05:35:12 [Puyopuyo] | Individual ratings will remain high. |
| 05:35:21 [Puyopuyo] | Hell, I expect the popular vote it do something stupid. |
| 05:35:27 [Puyopuyo] | *to |
| 05:35:29 [Puyopuyo] | not it |
| 05:35:38 [Pipian-Work] | Even in the worst congressional elections in the past 30 years, re-election rates for incumbents has never dropped below 80% |
| 05:35:48 [Pipian-Work] | 1994, 2008, 2010, you name it. |
| 05:35:49 [Puyopuyo] | Once you're in, you're in. |
| 05:35:52 [Puyopuyo] | Remember, it's everyone else's fault. |
| 05:36:02 [Puyopuyo] | Your guy/gal? They're standing up for you! |
| 05:37:15 [Pipian-Work] | Plus, the ground game in the Senate was already bad for Democrats |
| 05:37:16 [nathanbp] | 9% approval rating still means something though |
| 05:37:21 [Puyopuyo] | * Puyopuyo is feeling rather bitingly sarcastic and pessimistic currently. |
| 05:37:28 [Pipian-Work] | The number of Democrats retiring is only making it worse. |
| 05:37:30 [Puyopuyo] | It means that all of the other voters are idiots, nathan. |
| 05:37:36 [nathanbp] | Yeah Democrats don't have a great chance of holding the Senate |
| 05:37:37 [Puyopuyo] | You're voting for the right person, but no one else is! |
| 05:38:03 [nathanbp] | Sam: If that was true the Democrats would never have lost control of the House and Senate in the first place |
| 05:38:49 [Puyopuyo] | How so? |
| 05:39:12 [Puyopuyo] | You can't control what that bad ol' GOP/crazy Democrats are voting for, and they're ruining the House/Senate. |
| 05:39:26 [nathanbp] | What do you mean? You're arguing that everyone will just vote for their incumbent |
| 05:39:33 [Pipian-Work] | No |
| 05:39:33 [nathanbp] | which obviously isn't true |
| 05:39:35 [Pipian-Work] | Just a majority |
| 05:39:40 [Pipian-Work] | 80-90% |
| 05:39:40 [Puyopuyo] | No, I'm saying that the mass majority do. |
| 05:39:45 [Pipian-Work] | It's the remaining 10% which matters |
| 05:40:04 [Pipian-Work] | Which, (especially if Mitt wins) is likely to go Republican due to coattails, or at least a hatred of Obama |
| 05:40:15 [Puyopuyo] | Quite possible. |
| 05:40:21 [Puyopuyo] | Though I'm not sure what Mitt even stands for now. |
| 05:40:35 [Puyopuyo] | Whatever gets him elected, from my understanding. |
| 05:40:46 [nathanbp] | Depends on how close the race is |
| 05:41:14 [Pipian-Work] | The biggest things Obama can attack Mitt on is |
| 05:41:16 [Pipian-Work] | "flip-flop" |
| 05:41:21 [Pipian-Work] | and "Romneycare = Obamacare" |
| 05:41:27 [Pipian-Work] | That's not enough to win an election |
| 05:41:43 [Pipian-Work] | Not with the economy being claimed as YOUR repnsibility |
| 05:42:28 [nathanbp] | Pretty sure the Romney vs Obama poll numbers have been basically even |
| 05:43:15 [Pipian-Work] | Yes |
| 05:43:21 [Pipian-Work] | Which says a lot about how bad Obama has it |
| 05:43:38 [Pipian-Work] | All Romney has to do is claim the middle |
| 05:43:48 [Pipian-Work] | Or at least deny it to Obama (see: Americans Elect) |
| 05:44:32 [Puyopuyo] | Well, it's always a fight for the middle. |
| 05:44:36 [Puyopuyo] | We'll see what 2012 brings. |
| 05:44:58 [Puyopuyo] | If he can get the unemployment rate to drop, Obama's got it in the bag. Otherwise Romney's running with an advantage. |
| 05:45:14 [Pipian-Work] | Oh |
| 05:45:16 [Pipian-Work] | Obama has |
| 05:45:20 [nathanbp] | I doubt Americans Elect will get enough fundraising to actually make an impact |
| 05:45:21 [Pipian-Work] | But when you're fighting against... |
| 05:45:32 [Puyopuyo] | And Ian, are you say that Romney's entire platform is just "I'm not Obama, and look what the country's like under him!"? |
| 05:45:45 [Pipian-Work] | http://flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/unemployment-chart-by-fox-news.jpg |
| 05:45:51 [Pipian-Work] | Pretty much. |
| 05:46:44 [Puyopuyo] | * Puyopuyo shrugs. |
| 05:47:04 [Puyopuyo] | No one ever went broke overestimating the stupidity of the American people... |
| 05:47:22 [Pipian-Work] | On the contrary, actually |
| 05:47:32 [Pipian-Work] | A handful of people have gotten very rich |
| 05:47:42 [Pipian-Work] | *quite the contrary |
| 05:48:19 [Puyopuyo] | Trying to find who to cite that to... |
| 05:49:17 [Pipian-Work] | I've heard that one bandied about a bit |
| 05:54:25 [Pipian-Work] | Been reading Howard Zinn lately |
| 05:54:43 [Pipian-Work] | It's not exactly making me very optimistic |
| 05:55:13 [Puyopuyo] | Yeaaaah. |
| 05:55:22 [Puyopuyo] | Don't think there's much to be optimistic about. |
| 06:14:59 [nathanbp] | Look on the bright side |
| 06:15:12 [nathanbp] | McCain could won and had a heart attack and then Palin would be president now |
| 06:18:07 [Pipian-Work] | That's not much better than what we got to be honest. |
| 06:20:40 [Puyopuyo] | That's the realm of speculation. |
| 06:20:48 [Puyopuyo] | We really don't know how ridiculous Palin as president would be. |
| 06:20:57 [Puyopuyo] | I honestly have no idea who'd be puppeting her, which worries me. |
| 07:28:00 [Pipian-Work] | Oh hey |
| 07:28:18 [Pipian-Work] | first thing I see when casually looking into an anime forum for the first time in ages |
| 07:28:29 [Pipian-Work] | "Bandai Entertainment to stop releasing DVD/Blu-Ray and Manga after February 2012" |
| 07:33:41 [Puyopuyo] | Yeah |
| 07:33:56 [Puyopuyo] | You missed the earlier lamentation. |
| 07:34:33 [Pipian-Work] | Eh |
| 07:38:58 [Pipian-Work] | Romney wins Iowa by 8 |
| 07:39:32 [Puyopuyo] | And people are surprised. |
| 07:39:52 [Puyopuyo] | Now let's see if the GOP pulls itself together. |
| 07:53:16 [Pipian-Work] | I suspect it will |
| 07:53:59 [Pipian-Work] | In foreign policy as well as electoral politics I've never known the GOP to not believe that the enemy of our enemy is our fried. |
| 07:54:01 [Pipian-Work] | *friend |
| 08:17:53 [Puyopuyo] | Anyway, I sleep. Night all. |
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| 19:45:10 [nathanbp|work] | Sore de mo Machi wa Mawatteriru got licensed!?!? |
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| 19:45:49 [AChes] | !pointer |
| 19:45:49 [Sacchi] | http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/cochineal-logs/Cochineal-2012-01-04.html#T19-45-49 |
| 19:56:38 [Puyopuyo] | By whom? |
| 19:56:47 [nathanbp|work] | I don't want to know. |
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