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05:24:28 <Pipian-Work> I'd like to congratulate President-elect Willard Mitt Romney
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05:25:59 <Pipian-Work> Oh hey
05:26:06 <Pipian-Work> You heard about President-elect Willard Mitt Romney?
05:26:26 <Puyopuyo> ?
05:26:30 <Puyopuyo> What about?
05:26:39 <Pipian-Work> He's all but won the nomination.
05:26:48 <Puyopuyo> Is anyone surprised?
05:26:49 <Pipian-Work> Which means he's got a clear shot for the presidency
05:26:59 <Puyopuyo> He's what the right doesn't what, but will have to settle for.
05:27:14 <Pipian-Work> Well he's neck and neck with Santorum right now
05:27:17 <Pipian-Work> (virtually tied)
05:27:21 <Pipian-Work> In Iowa
05:27:40 <Pipian-Work> Which means the nomination is his because he'd have had to do far worse to give anyone a shot.
05:28:04 <nathanbp> You really think Romney is that likely to beat Obama?
05:28:12 <Pipian-Work> Ah
05:28:19 <Pipian-Work> Maybe you haven't heard of Americans Elect?
05:28:38 <nathanbp> You think Americans Elect isn't going to pick Ron Paul?
05:28:47 <Pipian-Work> Of course not.
05:28:56 <Pipian-Work> It's being bankrolled by a bunch of hedge fund traders
05:29:05 <nathanbp> It's a primary on the internet?
05:29:07 <Pipian-Work> And they have the option to veto anyone they think "isn't centrist enough"
05:29:31 <nathanbp> Yeah but their opinion of centrist is a Mitt Romney clone?
05:29:33 <Pipian-Work> Also they're organized in such a way that they're a party which doesn't have to announce their donors
05:29:47 <Pipian-Work> Sure
05:29:55 <Pipian-Work> Of course it's a Mitt Romney clone
05:30:03 <Pipian-Work> But it'll dupe the Independents Obama needs to win
05:30:09 <nathanbp> I think they are much more likely to nominate a spoiler for the Republicans than the Democrats
05:30:28 <Pipian-Work> I think it's the opposite.
05:30:33 <Pipian-Work> Obama no longer has the Youth vote
05:30:39 <Pipian-Work> And many Independents already hate him
05:30:43 <Pipian-Work> He can't afford to lose more
05:31:10 <nathanbp> I doubt that Americans Elect will get enough press to effect the election either way
05:31:10 <Pipian-Work> Romney on the other hand will have the Republican machine ensuring that even the die hard Tea Partiers who hate Romney come out and vote for him.
05:31:13 <Puyopuyo> I think Romney's got the best shot, but this hinges upon what happens with the economy.
05:31:29 <Pipian-Work> As Europe goes, so goes Obama
05:31:32 <Puyopuyo> I don't think so. The Republican machine hasn't been the well-oiled mechanism we've been expecting.
05:31:39 <Pipian-Work> (hint: It's sinking)
05:31:45 <Puyopuyo> I really can't see a lot of the religious vote backing a Mormon.
05:31:51 <nathanbp> I suspect Obama's Democratic machine will do at least as well for him as the Republican one will do for Romney
05:31:53 <Puyopuyo> Remember, they're not even Christian.
05:31:59 <Pipian-Work> While true
05:32:10 <Pipian-Work> I think Red vs. Blue will end up being more important
05:32:15 <Pipian-Work> Also
05:32:23 <Pipian-Work> General consensus is Marco Rubio for Veep
05:32:29 <Puyopuyo> ....really?
05:32:33 <Pipian-Work> Which brings the Tea Partiers and Hispanics into the fold.
05:32:41 <Puyopuyo> It does.
05:32:56 <Pipian-Work> But yeah. That's the consensus.
05:33:11 <Pipian-Work> That's why I give Romney 60-40 odds of winning in November.
05:33:21 <Pipian-Work> Plus with a Republican Congress and Ruth Bader Ginsburg retiring in 2016
05:33:24 <Puyopuyo> I think that's too high.
05:33:28 <Pipian-Work> err 2014
05:33:28 <Puyopuyo> I'd give it 55-45
05:33:29 <Pipian-Work> sorry
05:33:36 <nathanbp> Yeah I'd say more like 50-50
05:33:47 <nathanbp> Also I doubt congress stays republican
05:33:48 <Puyopuyo> I'd say that unless a miracle happens in Europe, Romney's got the advantage, but I wouldn't give it a 20 point.
05:34:02 <Puyopuyo> 10 points is the extent of the spread I'm willing to allow, and even then, I'm iffy.
05:34:07 <Puyopuyo> This should be 2000 close, I figure.
05:34:14 <nathanbp> At least the house will go back Democratic
05:34:20 <Pipian-Work> Why should it?
05:34:22 <Pipian-Work> Coattails
05:34:25 <Pipian-Work> At the very least
05:34:29 <Pipian-Work> *at the most
05:34:37 <nathanbp> 9% approval rating?
05:34:44 <Pipian-Work> You misunderstand that
05:34:51 <Pipian-Work> 9% approval rating is for Congress as a whole
05:35:03 <Pipian-Work> Individual ratings are still high
05:35:12 <Puyopuyo> Individual ratings will remain high.
05:35:21 <Puyopuyo> Hell, I expect the popular vote it do something stupid.
05:35:27 <Puyopuyo> *to
05:35:29 <Puyopuyo> not it
05:35:38 <Pipian-Work> Even in the worst congressional elections in the past 30 years, re-election rates for incumbents has never dropped below 80%
05:35:48 <Pipian-Work> 1994, 2008, 2010, you name it.
05:35:49 <Puyopuyo> Once you're in, you're in.
05:35:52 <Puyopuyo> Remember, it's everyone else's fault.
05:36:02 <Puyopuyo> Your guy/gal? They're standing up for you!
05:37:15 <Pipian-Work> Plus, the ground game in the Senate was already bad for Democrats
05:37:16 <nathanbp> 9% approval rating still means something though
05:37:21 * Puyopuyo is feeling rather bitingly sarcastic and pessimistic currently.
05:37:28 <Pipian-Work> The number of Democrats retiring is only making it worse.
05:37:30 <Puyopuyo> It means that all of the other voters are idiots, nathan.
05:37:36 <nathanbp> Yeah Democrats don't have a great chance of holding the Senate
05:37:37 <Puyopuyo> You're voting for the right person, but no one else is!
05:38:03 <nathanbp> Sam: If that was true the Democrats would never have lost control of the House and Senate in the first place
05:38:49 <Puyopuyo> How so?
05:39:12 <Puyopuyo> You can't control what that bad ol' GOP/crazy Democrats are voting for, and they're ruining the House/Senate.
05:39:26 <nathanbp> What do you mean? You're arguing that everyone will just vote for their incumbent
05:39:33 <Pipian-Work> No
05:39:33 <nathanbp> which obviously isn't true
05:39:35 <Pipian-Work> Just a majority
05:39:40 <Pipian-Work> 80-90%
05:39:40 <Puyopuyo> No, I'm saying that the mass majority do.
05:39:45 <Pipian-Work> It's the remaining 10% which matters
05:40:04 <Pipian-Work> Which, (especially if Mitt wins) is likely to go Republican due to coattails, or at least a hatred of Obama
05:40:15 <Puyopuyo> Quite possible.
05:40:21 <Puyopuyo> Though I'm not sure what Mitt even stands for now.
05:40:35 <Puyopuyo> Whatever gets him elected, from my understanding.
05:40:46 <nathanbp> Depends on how close the race is
05:41:14 <Pipian-Work> The biggest things Obama can attack Mitt on is
05:41:16 <Pipian-Work> "flip-flop"
05:41:21 <Pipian-Work> and "Romneycare = Obamacare"
05:41:27 <Pipian-Work> That's not enough to win an election
05:41:43 <Pipian-Work> Not with the economy being claimed as YOUR repnsibility
05:42:28 <nathanbp> Pretty sure the Romney vs Obama poll numbers have been basically even
05:43:15 <Pipian-Work> Yes
05:43:21 <Pipian-Work> Which says a lot about how bad Obama has it
05:43:38 <Pipian-Work> All Romney has to do is claim the middle
05:43:48 <Pipian-Work> Or at least deny it to Obama (see: Americans Elect)
05:44:32 <Puyopuyo> Well, it's always a fight for the middle.
05:44:36 <Puyopuyo> We'll see what 2012 brings.
05:44:58 <Puyopuyo> If he can get the unemployment rate to drop, Obama's got it in the bag. Otherwise Romney's running with an advantage.
05:45:14 <Pipian-Work> Oh
05:45:16 <Pipian-Work> Obama has
05:45:20 <nathanbp> I doubt Americans Elect will get enough fundraising to actually make an impact
05:45:21 <Pipian-Work> But when you're fighting against...
05:45:32 <Puyopuyo> And Ian, are you say that Romney's entire platform is just "I'm not Obama, and look what the country's like under him!"?
05:45:45 <Pipian-Work> http://flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/unemployment-chart-by-fox-news.jpg
05:45:51 <Pipian-Work> Pretty much.
05:46:44 * Puyopuyo shrugs.
05:47:04 <Puyopuyo> No one ever went broke overestimating the stupidity of the American people...
05:47:22 <Pipian-Work> On the contrary, actually
05:47:32 <Pipian-Work> A handful of people have gotten very rich
05:47:42 <Pipian-Work> *quite the contrary
05:48:19 <Puyopuyo> Trying to find who to cite that to...
05:49:17 <Pipian-Work> I've heard that one bandied about a bit
05:54:25 <Pipian-Work> Been reading Howard Zinn lately
05:54:43 <Pipian-Work> It's not exactly making me very optimistic
05:55:13 <Puyopuyo> Yeaaaah.
05:55:22 <Puyopuyo> Don't think there's much to be optimistic about.
06:14:59 <nathanbp> Look on the bright side
06:15:12 <nathanbp> McCain could won and had a heart attack and then Palin would be president now
06:18:07 <Pipian-Work> That's not much better than what we got to be honest.
06:20:40 <Puyopuyo> That's the realm of speculation.
06:20:48 <Puyopuyo> We really don't know how ridiculous Palin as president would be.
06:20:57 <Puyopuyo> I honestly have no idea who'd be puppeting her, which worries me.
07:28:00 <Pipian-Work> Oh hey
07:28:18 <Pipian-Work> first thing I see when casually looking into an anime forum for the first time in ages
07:28:29 <Pipian-Work> "Bandai Entertainment to stop releasing DVD/Blu-Ray and Manga after February 2012"
07:33:41 <Puyopuyo> Yeah
07:33:56 <Puyopuyo> You missed the earlier lamentation.
07:34:33 <Pipian-Work> Eh
07:38:58 <Pipian-Work> Romney wins Iowa by 8
07:39:32 <Puyopuyo> And people are surprised.
07:39:52 <Puyopuyo> Now let's see if the GOP pulls itself together.
07:53:16 <Pipian-Work> I suspect it will
07:53:59 <Pipian-Work> In foreign policy as well as electoral politics I've never known the GOP to not believe that the enemy of our enemy is our fried.
07:54:01 <Pipian-Work> *friend
08:17:53 <Puyopuyo> Anyway, I sleep. Night all.
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19:45:10 <nathanbp|work> Sore de mo Machi wa Mawatteriru got licensed!?!?
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19:45:49 <AChes> !pointer
19:45:49 <Sacchi> http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/cochineal-logs/Cochineal-2012-01-04.html#T19-45-49
19:56:38 <Puyopuyo> By whom?
19:56:47 <nathanbp|work> I don't want to know.
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