00:34:17 -!- Puyopuyo has joined #Cochineal 00:34:18 -!- ChanServ set mode +o on Puyopuyo 01:06:12 my Nexus 7 doesn't handle 10 bit h264 very well... 01:06:25 Nothing does! 01:06:34 How is it doing for everything else? 01:08:20 haven't tried anything else 01:08:32 need to set up a webserver on my desktop and try streaming other stuff 01:08:51 haven't found an app that can samba mount my desktop yet, annoying. 01:10:26 firefox sync would be more useful if I didn't have 10 million tabs open on my desktop... 01:11:41 Heheheh. 02:09:30 -!- Charon1 has joined #Cochineal 02:09:31 -!- CharonCaori has left #Cochineal [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:42:05 -!- Pipian-Work has left #Cochineal [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:52:17 hmm I think I'm going to have to find stuff that's hard subbed if I want to watch it on this... 02:55:02 Ouch 03:06:52 -!- gadgetgrl has joined #Cochineal 03:06:59 -!- ChanServ set mode +o on gadgetgrl 03:07:09 !pointer 03:07:09 http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/cochineal-logs/Cochineal-2012-08-03.html#T3-7-9 03:15:28 unless I can find a player that actually does crazy subtitles correctly... 03:17:57 hmm actually VLC Beta seems to work ok on 8-bit 03:18:14 wonder if it's using hardware decoding or not... 03:22:31 hmm hardware decoding seems to crash VLC Beta... 03:43:45 -!- Pipian-Work has joined #Cochineal 03:49:01 help how do I tell if a video file is 10 bit or not? 03:51:05 They tell you? 03:53:02 but what if they didn't tell me? 03:55:31 Then they suck and you have to find out the annoying way. 04:20:27 do you know what the annoying way is? 04:20:55 Trying to play it on your tablet? 04:21:42 trying to see what the output of vlc's encoder is 04:31:21 -!- Pipian-Work has left #Cochineal [Quit: Pipian-Work] 04:43:01 -!- Pipian-Work has joined #Cochineal 05:24:51 avinaptic is apparently the program to use 05:25:03 Woot. 05:25:55 or actually...properties...media info in media player classic 05:25:56 >_< 05:26:24 Also, handbrake encodes the middle frame for subtitle animations 05:26:47 so for karaoke it's just frozen in the middle of the line.... 05:27:00 >_< Bleh 05:27:32 looks like VLC may be the way to go for reencoding... 05:29:44 I wonder how long it will take for fansubbers to switch to 14 bit color... 05:30:15 >_> 05:32:00 So uh 05:32:12 Are there even displays that do 10bit color 05:32:32 (I'm assuming 10-bits per channel) 05:32:41 (Because otherwise the answer is an unqualified yes) 05:36:48 I've been unable to get an explanation as to what exactly is being made 10 bits or why it's advantageous in any way 05:38:07 Answer 05:38:10 I thought it was the sound channels. 05:38:18 Couldn't be 05:38:21 16-bit is standard there 05:38:31 If it was 10-bit sound, it would sound WORSE 05:38:33 No 05:38:34 It's color 05:38:41 And it's only supported on Windows 7 05:38:45 Making it even sillier 05:39:25 That said, most modern Nvidia and ATI cards seem to support it since 2006 05:39:32 Looks like it. 05:39:50 But if you're not using HDMI 1.3 or DisplayPort 05:39:51 Why? 05:41:03 Seems particularly excessive for Anime 05:41:09 I think it's not 10 bits per channel, it's actually 2 additional level bits 05:41:11 Where you've got nearly solid colors to begin with 05:41:26 color is encoded separately I think... 05:41:31 Oh boy my painted backgrounds look vaguely more life-like! 05:42:29 I mean 05:42:34 Images that support it I suppose 05:42:35 But uh 05:42:43 If you're not getting a 10-bit signal to begin with 05:42:45 why bother? 05:42:49 If we're going for photo-realism, maybe. 05:42:55 In an anime? 05:43:01 But yeah, I don't really see the point of two additional level bits in an anime. 05:43:13 I mean 05:43:18 Blu-ray in theory 05:43:21 Gaming sure 05:43:29 But animation? 05:43:44 Supposedly you get better compression out of it 05:44:33 I guess if you were doing post-processing 10-bit could be helpful 05:45:18 But yeah 05:45:25 HDTV content is currently still 8-bit color 05:45:35 You get better compression sure 05:45:44 Because you automatically lop off 2-bits off the raw color channel 05:45:47 BAM 05:45:54 20% compression right there. 05:47:02 It's just another case of technowonkery where the anime subbers think they're using this edgy cool technology 05:47:08 But there's really no good reason to do so 05:47:46 Now what they could be doing 05:47:52 Is using a 10-bit decoder chain 05:48:01 for the 8-bit colors when you're decoding 05:48:36 Seeing as MPEG works by encoding gradient blocks like JPEG 05:49:07 So you might get visual benefits based on how the blocking is done 05:49:28 I saw some article claiming that no matter your source or destination using 10 bit color let you encode at the same quality with a lower bitrate 05:49:34 not sure I believe it 05:49:38 or that it really matters for anime 05:50:39 Thus my point stands; for image processing it might be marginally better, but for the base content? Eh. 05:51:37 I don't see how the compression works out at all 05:51:46 It doesn't make any intuitive logical sense 05:54:34 http://19lights.com/wp/2011/09/30/is-8-bits-enough-of-course-not/ 05:54:38 A partially useful argument 05:54:38 Is 8 bits enough? Of course not. | 19lights 05:55:03 But they're not really making a good one, since they don't really acknowledge that banding is only an issue in low-contrast situations. 05:56:56 Well remember that video isn't encoded in RGB either 06:01:46 Are they working with YUV source material then? 06:01:49 Well 06:02:57 No 06:02:59 Odf course not 06:03:09 Because the base source material is MPEG-2 anyway 06:03:17 or MPEG-4 06:04:12 ? MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 would both be YUV 06:04:36 Unless their source is HI10P to start with 06:04:39 It's a moot point 06:05:40 Except that they're usually getting them over the air 06:05:52 Which means they're grabbing Baseline or High profile 06:05:54 not HI10P 06:06:42 http://x264.nl/x264/10bit_02-ateme-why_does_10bit_save_bandwidth.pdf 06:07:05 And blu-ray is High profile too 06:07:09 So all their source is 8-bit 06:07:39 So their source material has banding to begin with 06:08:59 *shrug* prevents additional banding in the reencoding process? 06:09:20 10-bit compression of a 10-bit source saves bandwidth 06:09:20 Sure 06:09:32 But it's 10-bit compression of an 8-bit source 06:10:22 but they're always reducing the resolution 06:10:34 so there's more than 8 bits of color data to start with 06:10:48 (as usually it's 1080 source -> 720 output) 06:13:36 anyways I'm going to sleep 06:17:08 Night! 06:19:40 -!- nathanbp|tablet has joined #Cochineal 06:20:31 And by sleep I meant play with my tablet some more >_> 06:23:31 >_> 06:23:37 Crowded channel we have here. 06:25:46 OK, real sleep time 06:25:48 -!- nathanbp|tablet has left #Cochineal [Quit] 08:14:16 -!- Pipian-Work_ has joined #Cochineal 08:14:17 -!- Pipian-Work has left #Cochineal [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14:18 -!- Pipian-Work_ is now known as Pipian-Work 08:20:08 -!- Puyopuyo has left #Cochineal [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:23:49 -!- Pipian-Work_ has joined #Cochineal 09:23:50 -!- Pipian-Work has left #Cochineal [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:50 -!- Pipian-Work_ is now known as Pipian-Work 10:28:12 -!- Pipian-Work has left #Cochineal [Quit: Pipian-Work] 15:39:24 -!- nathanbp|work has joined #Cochineal 15:39:40 -!- ChanServ set mode +o on nathanbp|work 17:20:03 -!- Pipian-Work has joined #Cochineal 17:37:20 -!- Pipian-Work has left #Cochineal [Quit: Pipian-Work] 17:59:57 Continuing my tradition of posting random links to Dinosaur Comics: http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1085 18:00:01 Dinosaur Comics - October 4th, 2007 - awesome fun times! 18:08:20 -!- AChes has joined #Cochineal 18:08:27 !pointer 18:08:27 http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/cochineal-logs/Cochineal-2012-08-03.html#T18-8-27 18:12:30 -!- AChes has left #Cochineal [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]